Controversial BLPs are often closed as no consensus merely because there are good experienced WP editors with strong views on both sides--the result of this will be to say that ''any article to which there is any strong opposition will be deleted if it is a BLP''. However, some of these good and experienced people at WP do not seem to understand NPOV, and think that all controversial BLPs which have a negative implication towards the subject, however fair, should be deleted. The small cohesive group of editors who do not represent the consensus, but are strong enough to represent a minority, will prevail. In short, this is a backdoor approach to removing negative BLPs from WP, and becoming as far as living people are concerned, Wikipedia, the encyclopedia of articles that praise the subjects.
We have a continual fight against self-promotion, and this will effectively undermine it. There is already a discussion where the same principle, of not saying anything negative, however well sourced, is being asserted with respect to a commercial organisation.
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Charlotte Webb charlottethewebb@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/21/08, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 22/04/2008, Ron Ritzman ritzman@gmail.com wrote:
If they're going to do this then it needs to be in a venue besides AFD. Perhaps call it "BLPs for discussion". That way "normal noms" where the issue is notability etc. can proceed with the usual rules.
That's actually a really good idea.
Fixing AFD would be better than forking it.
Regardless, it would be trivial for a bot to generate a list of articles belonging to both [[Category:Living people]] and [[Category:Articles for deletion]], and list them on some prominent page in project-space like "Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Living people", maybe give it a cute little shortcut such as WP:BLPFD (/ˈblɪpfʌd/) that would imply a separate process when in fact it isn't, and add a little note like <small>This debate has been included in the list of living people-related deletion discussions"</small>.
Or not?
—C.W.
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