On May 20, 2006, at 7:40 AM, Prasad J wrote:
Quote from Philip's last message:
"So he publicly identifies with a notorious Islamist and anti-Semite.
3,000 people in my country were murdered five
years ago in the name
of those attitudes. He should be banned indefinitely just as we would
ban a neo-Nazi who made similar anti-Semitic edits. These people do
not belong in our community."
1)"Notorious Islamist"-are you implying that Islamists (as in
"Islamist" does not mean "Muslim". Wikipedia states: "Islamism
describes a set of political ideologies derived from Islamic
Abu Hamza is an adherent to those political ideologies, notorious for
anti-Semitism, sympathies with al-Qaeda, etc.
2) 3000 people died on 9/11. Sorry about that. But
scores of my
countrymen in Kashmir are murdered on a daily basis by fundamentalists
in that state. Do you see me condemning Abu because of that? He can
symathise with whoever he wants- he has a right to do that, provided
he does not vandalise Wikipedia.
He's using Wikipedia to promote his bias--trying to turn Wikipedia
into propaganda for his cause. The cause of demolishing skyscrapers
in Manhattan, slaughtering Indians in Kashmir, and trying to drive
the entire nation of Israel into the sea.
I'm glad you can tolerate that, because I can't.
3) "People like
you aren't welcome in civil society, and you know it, so you try to
hide behind excuses and rationalizations and straw men. It's not
going to work."
It is not upto you Philip, to unilaterally pass judgement on who
belongs in civil society.
I suggest you calm down and be more civil toward Abu. Treating him
with disdain based on his religion or his beliefs (though these might
not be acceptable to you) will only make you seem like a bigoted
Islamophobe-which I am sure you are not.
There's a line to be crossed here, Prasad. White supremacists aren't
welcome on Wikipedia either, especially if they edit Wikipedia
towards a white supremacy bias. This person and his anti-Semitic
ideology is no different.
If someone came on here and used "David Duke" as his nom de plume,
and made a bunch of anti-Semitic edits, he would be banned for life
very quickly. We hesitate here because the racist ideology in
question claims to follow the Islamic religion? Please.
Philip L. Welch