On May 20, 2006, at 7:40 AM, Prasad J wrote:
Quote from Philip's last message:
"So he publicly identifies with a notorious Islamist and anti-Semite.
3,000 people in my country were murdered five years ago in the name of those attitudes. He should be banned indefinitely just as we would ban a neo-Nazi who made similar anti-Semitic edits. These people do not belong in our community."
1)"Notorious Islamist"-are you implying that Islamists (as in Muslims)are notorious?
"Islamist" does not mean "Muslim". Wikipedia states: "Islamism describes a set of political ideologies derived from Islamic fundamentalism."
Abu Hamza is an adherent to those political ideologies, notorious for anti-Semitism, sympathies with al-Qaeda, etc.
- 3000 people died on 9/11. Sorry about that. But scores of my
countrymen in Kashmir are murdered on a daily basis by fundamentalists in that state. Do you see me condemning Abu because of that? He can symathise with whoever he wants- he has a right to do that, provided he does not vandalise Wikipedia.
He's using Wikipedia to promote his bias--trying to turn Wikipedia into propaganda for his cause. The cause of demolishing skyscrapers in Manhattan, slaughtering Indians in Kashmir, and trying to drive the entire nation of Israel into the sea.
I'm glad you can tolerate that, because I can't.
- "People like
you aren't welcome in civil society, and you know it, so you try to hide behind excuses and rationalizations and straw men. It's not going to work." It is not upto you Philip, to unilaterally pass judgement on who belongs in civil society.
I suggest you calm down and be more civil toward Abu. Treating him with disdain based on his religion or his beliefs (though these might not be acceptable to you) will only make you seem like a bigoted Islamophobe-which I am sure you are not.
There's a line to be crossed here, Prasad. White supremacists aren't welcome on Wikipedia either, especially if they edit Wikipedia towards a white supremacy bias. This person and his anti-Semitic ideology is no different.
If someone came on here and used "David Duke" as his nom de plume, and made a bunch of anti-Semitic edits, he would be banned for life very quickly. We hesitate here because the racist ideology in question claims to follow the Islamic religion? Please.