The vanity criteria are well established and apply
only to biography. I don't see the connection at all.
I oppose taking criteria that were designed for
biography and applying them to places, buildings,
artwork, or other things.
Mark
--- John Lee <johnleemk(a)gawab.com> wrote:
Then I believe both of you have just admitted
that
"notability" is a
valid criteria for inclusion/deletion. After all,
just try reading the
definition of vanity according to Wikipedia Mark
linked to.
John Lee
([[User:Johnleemk]])
Ray Saintonge wrote:
I see nothing wrong with his position. There are
multiple deletion
criteria available. Each has its own definition.
We can define a
vanity page in terms of self-promotion or
self-glorification.
Verifiability is a different and independent
criterion. Using the
description of one criterion to determine the
applicability of a
different one is illogical.
Ec
John Lee wrote:
> Sorry, I don't understand - why would vanity
pages be eligible for
> deletion if the information therein was 100%
verifiable and factual?
> Delirium said that this isn't a strawman
because
*we get 100%
> verifiable articles such as vanity pages
which
are deleted*. You
> argue in favour of their deletion, because
they
are vanity pages -
> what constitutes a vanity page? A page
written by
someone seeking
> glorification? But, why, the
information's
verifiable! Isn't
> Wikipedia supposed to be a compendium of
human
knowledge? I honestly
> don't understand your paradoxical - dare
I say,
hypocritical - stance
> on this.
>
> John Lee
> ([[User:Johnleemk]])
>
> Mark Richards wrote:
>
>> It's a straw man because you are taking the case
in
>> dispute (schools) and claiming that if we
keep
>> schools, we will have to keep an article on each
>> school band member.
>>
>> There are existing rules to deal with vanity
articles,
>> and to the extent that we have a problem
with
them,
>> they have been deleted as vanity.
>>
>> Let's not confuse the issues of schools with
some
>> hypothetical deluge of articles about
cheerleaders or
>> dead cats.
>>
>> If I have presented my case as an extreme one,
then I
>> have misrepresented my aims. I certainly
do not
>> support an article on each high school band
member. I
>> doubt that you could really write a
verifiable
and
>> factual article on them that was not a
vanity
page
>> anyway.
>>
>> It's not that these people are not notable, they
>> certianly are to some people, it is the fact
that
>> these would be vanity articles, I am not
proposing to
>> remove this criteria for deletion.
>
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