On 27 Aug 2004, at 10:40 pm, Ray Saintonge wrote:
Western Civilization to me really relates to Western Europe plus key members of its former colonial empires. It does promote certain ideals, but that does not mean that it has been uniformly successful in implementing those ideals. This distinction is difficult for the person who has not yet grasped the concept of irony.
Actually this distinction was part of my argument. You seem to miss the point that the evidence (the millions who have died and suffered) suggests these ideals to be not much more than propaganda in a system that has historically implemented the opposite of such ideals.
Christiaan