On 27 Aug 2004, at 10:40 pm, Ray Saintonge wrote:
Western Civilization to me really relates to Western
Europe plus key
members of its former colonial empires. It does promote certain
ideals, but that does not mean that it has been uniformly successful
in implementing those ideals. This distinction is difficult for the
person who has not yet grasped the concept of irony.
Actually this distinction was part of my argument. You seem to miss the
point that the evidence (the millions who have died and suffered)
suggests these ideals to be not much more than propaganda in a system
that has historically implemented the opposite of such ideals.
Christiaan