On 11/23/05, Bryan Derksen bryan.derksen@shaw.ca wrote:
geni wrote: Oh, come on. If you go with my "feed them in slowly" suggestion, then you never get 5000 links in the queue to begin with. If you go with my "put big surges in a backlog so there's time to process them at liesure" suggestion, you can just use the same tried and true approaches that are used in the high-volume AfD process to manage them (eg., split them up over multiple pages). These are perfectly simple answers that you should have thought of considering how long you've been involved in deletion-related discussions here.
The lists are bot generated. No system we normaly use has shown the ability to kill 1000s of items fast. It was a one off event. No point in trying to fit it into normal processes when we don't have to. All in all we got the job done and very few people complained.
On nov 18 IFD had 14 images added. Now lets assume we decide to delete those 5000 images (the true number is greater) over 50 days. That is stupidly slow but even then we increase the load on IFD by an order of manitude.
As far as I can tell this is a non sequitur. My text above was in response to speedy-deleting orphaned fair-use articles on the basis that they're _orphaned_, after I pointed out that orphanhood can be a result of vandalism on other articles that you can't detect at a glance when you're only examining the image information page. Are you suggesting that changing the fair use notice templates would somehow prevent vandals from deleting the images from articles that use them in valid ways? Vandals, by their very nature, don't pay attention to such things.
Vandals don't seem to have much effect on this area. Most vandalism I see does not ivolve fair use images.
My basic point remains. An image should never be speedy-deleted soley because it's an orphan, because with the current software there's no way to tell whether its orphanhood is a temporary state. Such images should be given more careful consideration, at the very least a time delay to allow for the possibility that its orphan status will change in the near future.
As and when you find us enough admins to do the above we will. Untill then mass deletion is the only tool in the box.
-- geni