WikiEN-l February 2013

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Larry Sanger's new project
by David Gerard 13 Mar '13

13 Mar '13

A commercial enterprise "a bit like a wiki or a blog" that's "a way to crowdsource *high-quality* information". http://columbus.craigslist.org/eng/3614099241.html - d.

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If someone gave you the entirety of Wikipedia from 100 years in the future for only 10 minutes, what would you read?
by David Gerard 21 Feb '13

21 Feb '13

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/18dcov/if_someone_gave_you_the_e… - d.

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illegal, Internet-related public relations activity
by Fred Bauder 19 Feb '13

19 Feb '13

Internet scrubbing as a business: http://english.caixin.com/2013-02-19/100492242_all.html Fred

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Interesting research?
by Andrew Gray 19 Feb '13

19 Feb '13

Hi all, A speculative question: what's the most novel, thought-provoking, or otherwise interesting piece of research you've seen, either a) using information from Wikipedia (ie extracted text), or b) looking at Wikipedia itself as a subject? I'm giving a talk next month which will cover research about/with WP and other WM projects, and I'm curious to know what people think would be most interesting as examples. I've a few, but the things I find interesting are often unusual :-) Suggestions appreciated! Thanks, -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

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Gallery policy
by Steve Bennett 19 Feb '13

19 Feb '13

Hi all, Do content policies still get discussed on this list? I'm a bit out of touch. Anyway, I seem to keep running afoul of the "image use policy". Several galleries that I've added to articles have been removed. (And see this response to my second attempt to gallerise one article: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Stevage&action=edit&sec… ) The key parts of the policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IG#Image_galleries) are: * "Articles consisting entirely or primarily of galleries are discouraged, as the Commons is intended for such collections of images." -- it's not clear whether this includes articles that currently lack text (as opposed to articles that could never be much more than a gallery) * "However, Wikipedia is not an image repository. A gallery is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article, and a gallery consisting of an indiscriminate collection of images of the article subject should generally either be improved in accordance with the above paragraph or moved to Wikimedia Commons." -- It's not clear what "moving...a gallery...to Wikimedia Commons" means. It sounds like this was intended for cases where the images existed only in Wikipedia itself, rather than being linked from Commons. On the other hand: * "The images in the gallery collectively must have encyclopedic value and add to the reader's understanding of the subject. Images in a gallery should be suitably captioned to explain their relevance both to the article subject and to the theme of the gallery" So, here's my thinking in response to the above: 1) "Wikipedia is not for images, Commons is for images" is just bad logic. Commons is a dumping ground for *all* images. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, and should illustrate its articles with as many or as few images as appropriate. (It's not like duplicated storage is a problem.) 2) The Commons links are incredibly obscure, and I don't think the average punter ever sees or visits them. It's like telling someone to ring the hotline for more information - they just don't. The link doesn't give any indication whether there are 2 images on Commons on 200. 3) Galleries let you illustrate a much wider range of the subject matter than by simply placing images in the margins. For example, in the contentious [[Lamington National Park]], we could illustrate all the waterfalls, most of the important flora, fauna, and geological features. 4) An image of captioned animals under a section entitled "fauna" (and likewise for flora etc) seems perfectly in keeping with the guideline under ("on the other hand") above. Thoughts? Comments? Am I on the fringe? Are guidelines like this still subject to debate and change? Steve

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Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Lua rollout to en.wikipedia.org and a few others
by David Gerard 17 Feb '13

17 Feb '13

COMPREHENSIBLE TEMPLATES!!!!!!! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rob Lanphier <robla(a)wikimedia.org> Date: 15 February 2013 20:33 Subject: [Wikitech-l] Lua rollout to en.wikipedia.org and a few others To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>, wikitech-ambassadors(a)lists.wikimedia.org Hi everyone, We're planning to deploy Lua to a long list of wikis on Monday, February 18, 23:00-01:00 UTC (stretching into Tuesday UTC), including English Wikipedia. Details here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Lua Jan Kučera (User:Kozuch) has placed notifications on many of the wikis. Those notifications and general communications listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kozuch/Lua This is a really exciting deployment for the projects. We're really looking forward to seeing the great things that people do with this, and looking forward to making editing and previewing more responsive for template-heavy pages. Rob _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp
by Lydia Pintscher 15 Feb '13

15 Feb '13

Hey :) Guillaume just reminded me that I have not yet posted this here but only on the village pump and Signpost. Sorry. I'll fix that now with this email. Later today (evening UTC) we'll deploy the first phase of Wikidata on the English language Wikipedia. We've already deployed the first phase on the Hungarian, Hebrew and Italian Wikipedias and things there went rather smoothly. We hope this is the case here too. What is going to happen exactly? * Language links in the sidebar will come from Wikidata if they exist there. * Existing language links in the wiki text will continue to work and overwrite links from Wikidata. * For individual articles language links from Wikidata can be supressed completely with the noexternallanglinks magic word. * Changes on Wikidata that relate to articles on this Wikipedia will show up in Recent Changes if the option is enabled by the user * At the bottom of the language links list you will see a link to edit the language links that leads you to the corresponding page on Wikidata. * You can see an example of how it works at http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie * The second phase of Wikidata (which is about Infoboxes was started on Wikidata but can't yet be used on any Wikipedia. This will follow later. Please let me know if you have any questions. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] If someone gave you the entirety of Wikipedia from 100 years in the future for only 10 minutes, what would you r
by Daniel R. Tobias 12 Feb '13

12 Feb '13

The debate over the capitalization of the title of the new Star Trek movie of 2113, of course! -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/

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Skin / interface appearance
by Nathan 12 Feb '13

12 Feb '13

Anyone else using Chrome notice that the interface looks very 90s right now? Looks fine in Firefox, wonder if its related to something arcane in the banners?

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Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Victorian-era Dictionary of National Biography digitised on Wikisource
by David Gerard 12 Feb '13

12 Feb '13

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Charles Matthews <charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com> Date: 12 February 2013 08:14 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Victorian-era Dictionary of National Biography digitised on Wikisource To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> On 11 February 2013 20:24, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote: > On 11 February 2013 18:25, Charles Matthews > <charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> WP:WP DNB, the WikiProject devoted to quarrying out the >> good stuff from the DNB, > > Excellent job. > > Is there a template for linking from Wikipedia articles to the > corresponding DNB entry on Wikisource? Yes, {{cite DNB|wstitle =}}, in which you place the Wikisource title, such as Darwin, Charles Robert (DNB00), without the suffix. So {{cite DNB|wstitle = Darwin, Charles Robert}}. That's for citations: plain {{DNB}} works the same way for attribution of copied text. Charles _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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