Admins should never be given precedence on *any* thing.
Admins should have no special position within the community.
By doing so, you create a two-tiered, have and have not society.
This is not what Ayn Rand wanted, nor what she advocated.
It is however what the Communist Party advocates.
So which, of those two would you choose?
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In regard to today's article on the Los Angeles Times about Wikipedia and
funding, I am sure that this has been discussed in the past, but it is not
about time we look into this dispassionately?
Would it really be the "end of Wikipedia" to have a "Sponsored links"
section as a subsection of the "External links" section on articles in which
two or three Google ad words could be placed?
-- Jossi
This is a rather absurd argument. There are plenty of organizations
besides the Communist Party that advocate promoting leaders, many of
which would be "good organizations." Invoking Ayn Rand is hardly a
trump card, anyway, since not everyone is going to consider her the
pinnacle of wisdom.
Putting that aside, it's a moot argument, anyway. Whether you like it
or not, admins are seen as having a special position within Wikipedia,
and are generally considered leaders. We are better off looking at
how we should handle that reality, rather than philosophizing on why
it shouldn't be the case.
Sxeptomaniac
> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:15:14 EDT
> From: WJhonson(a)aol.com
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] SUL pilot
>
> Admins should never be given precedence on *any* thing.
> Admins should have no special position within the community.
>
> By doing so, you create a two-tiered, have and have not society.
>
> This is not what Ayn Rand wanted, nor what she advocated.
>
> It is however what the Communist Party advocates.
>
> So which, of those two would you choose?
In a message dated 3/17/2008 12:14:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
geniice(a)gmail.com writes:
Which one do you think will take up
more resources?>>
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Processes like government, should not be based on "what's easy". They
should be based on "what's fair and equitable". I'm sure you agree.
Will Johnosn
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Why is the edit conflict process so painful? When I get EC'd, it usually
takes 20-30 seconds to work itself out and I typically get a JavaScript
error to boot. Isn't there an easier way of handling edit conflicts that
doesn't shut down a browser for up to 30 seconds on a brand new machine?
Nathan
Yes I agree that true and full egalitarianism which is what both Ayn Rand
and Jimmy Wales have publicly espoused is an unstable equilibrium.
That doesn't mean we should ignore when the pencil is tipping over to one
side. Rather it means we should exert all effort to keep the pencil balanced
on it's point. Even if that effort is tedious.
Will Johnson
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In a message dated 3/17/2008 12:46:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
johnleemk(a)gmail.com writes:
is wholly insignificant compared to the real resource costs incurred from
trying to figure out which "longstanding users" ought to be placed in the
trial.>>
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There is no *which*. All Wikipedians with standing of any sort, gauged
using the most *open* method.
Libertarianism is all about equality and egalitarian standards. Any project
which stands against (in contravention) of those policies should be treated
as a project directly violating the core principles upon which our project
was founded.
Will Johnson
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On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:15:14 EDT WJhonson(a)aol.com writes:
> Admins should never be given precedence on *any* thing.
> Admins should have no special position within the community.
>
> By doing so, you create a two-tiered, have and have not society.
>
> This is not what Ayn Rand wanted, nor what she advocated.
>
> It is however what the Communist Party advocates.
>
> So which, of those two would you choose?
I applaud your decision to look for a new form of argument. The old
assert, evade when asked for evidence, assert, ... loop was rather
tedious.
That said, I'm not sure that recourse to false dichotomy, appeal to a
dubious authority, and pre-emptively comparing smearing anyone who
might disagree, is necessarily a great improvement in terms of
advancing the debate.
For and on behalf of the faceless apparat,
203730
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org>
Date: 17 Mar 2008 11:50
Subject: [Wikitech-l] SUL pilot
To: wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Brion and I are planning a pilot of the CentralAuth (account merging and
unification) extension on Wikimedia wikis. The general idea is to enable
it for admins only for the duration of this pilot. Admins make good beta
testers for this extension because:
* They're responsible enough to report bugs instead of ignoring them
* They're more likely to use their first hand experience to write
documentation or otherwise pass on their knowledge to others
* Allowing admins first choice of username reduces the potential for
name-squatting by trolls
Access to global usernames is generally on a first-come, first-served
basis. We can deal with imposters when we have to, but it's going to be a
pain so it's best if we can keep the number of incidents a minimum.
Also, we hope that limiting it to admins will make the volume of support
requests more manageable.
I don't think we'll need to schedule an exact time, or set a site notice
or anything like that. When we accidentally enabled it for a brief period
last week, hundreds of people knew about it within half an hour. It
appears on the first page of your preferences when it's enabled, and word
spreads fast.
For general information about CentralAuth, please read the documentation at:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Unified_login
-- Tim Starling
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