Marc Riddell wrote
>The word "trolling", the phrase "to troll", and what
> defines "a troll" all seem to have different meanings to different people in
> the Community. One person, writing in this thread, defined it as "stirring
> shit up".
A troll, to translate, is a provocateur. There are numerous ways of doing the provocation. I suppose the classification is roughly into those who value the attention, and those who value the mischief. Either way, the non-feeding advice is always the soundest. I'm afraid meditations on essentialism for trollness, tenable or not, fail that test.
Charles
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> On 26 Aug 2007 at 17:00:07 +0100, <charles.r.matthews at ntlworld.com>
> wrote:
> [long line rewrapped in accordance with RFC 2822]
> > "Daniel R. Tobias" wrote
> >
> > > * Anti-pedophile site Perverted Justice set up a redirect based on
> > > HTTP referrers so that anybody following links to any page in their
> > > site from Wikipedia get redirected to a criticism page that blasts
> > > Wikipedia for not cracking down on pedophile editors. This made the
> > > whole thing an "attack site" according to some who seem to think that
> > > anything that has anything critical to say about Wikipedia is an
> > > "attack" that must not be linked to.
> >
> > Question: What connection would there be between compiling an
> > encyclopedia, and linking to any site which took the step of
> > redirecting incoming links to somewhere not intended?
>
> I mentioned what was ultimately done in response to the redirection,
> the changing of links to unlinked URLs in places where they're needed
> as references.
>
> [snip]
>
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(Sorry for the weird formatting. I signed up just now to reply to
this post, so I don't have the e-mail to -actually- reply to.)
Don't delink them! Just use Template:Derefer, in the format
{{Derefer|http://URLHERE.com/|NAME OF THE LINK HERE}} It links to a
website which, by redirecting to the target URL using meta tags,
strips the HTTP request of the referring URL. I added it to
[[Perverted-Justice]] and it worked just fine.
We may want to set up a page on Wikipedia which does the redirecting
(it would have be through the techies, since the wiki formatting would
not support it) so that the template does not link to an outside URL,
which someone could redirect to a malicious web page.
--Iamunknown ([[User talk:Iamunknown]])
Jayjg is actively engaged in our conversations.
Fred
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steven Walling [mailto:steven.walling@gmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 12:08 PM
>To: 'English Wikipedia'
>Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Jayjg is AWOL
>
>Navou is correct that a simple absence doesn't entail desyssoping. But
>failing to respond to repeated attempts to engage for the purpose of an
>ArbCom hearing most definitely has resulted in indef blocks, if not
>desyssoping.
"Frank Bellowes" wrote
> The claimed "absence" is a fact.
AWOL is Absence Without Leave, of course. If there is anyone I should be asking before I take a vacation, can you point them out to me? I did think we were all volunteers.
Charles
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William Pietri
> But sometimes our skins are awfully thin.
I agree. There is no reason to behave as a rebuttalbot just because you are a Wikipedian. When Seth Finkelstein was posting here, I felt we collectively were too defensive.
Charles
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Alledging a conflict of interest, Michael Moore's website now has
started attacking en.wp editor [[User:THF]] (see
http://www.michaelmoore.com/ and [[WP:ANI#Attack site]] ). They've
got live "edit this page" links on the site linking to THFs' userpage
(not even User talk:, but main userpage) and the Sicko film page.
Isotope23 has tried to contact the webmaster, but this is sort of a
wierd situation...
--
-george william herbert
george.herbert(a)gmail.com
Per e-mail I have received from him, he is dealing with personal issues, but
he is neither AWOL nor unaware of what is occurring on wikipedia.
--Avi
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> From: "Steven Walling" <steven.walling(a)gmail.com>
> To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:16:18 -0700
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Jayjg is AWOL
> Um, his contrib
> histor<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%253AContributions&contrib…
> >y
> doesn't show anything since the 4th. That doesn't look to be a lie to me.
> Please elaborate.
>
> On 8/27/07, Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)wikia.com> wrote:
> >
> > NavouWiki wrote:
> > > He does not have to explain his absence.
> >
> > The claimed "absence" is a lie.
> >
> > --Jimbo
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On 26 Aug 2007 at 16:07, Armed Blowfish wrote:
> It doesn't matter if the attack site is 'evil' or not. It doesn't
> even matter if the content actually qualifies as an 'attack' (by
> whatever standards), or is just hurtful to someone. It's about
> protecting people (usually editors, but not always) from
> psychological harm, or occasionally other types of harm.
That's too subjective a standard. The things that offend
individuals, and possibly cause them psychological harm, are as
varied as humans are. Protecting everybody from every real or
imagined harm they may claim is inconsistent with allowing individual
freedom.
> Again, courtesy blankings and deletions are not sanctions against
> any one.
I've never much liked courtesy blankings either... I'm from the old-
school geek mindset of "Information wants to be free".
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