WikiEN-l August 2007

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Jayjg is not AWOL
by charles.r.matthews＠ntlworld.com 28 Aug '07

28 Aug '07

Marc Riddell wrote >The word "trolling", the phrase "to troll", and what > defines "a troll" all seem to have different meanings to different people in > the Community. One person, writing in this thread, defined it as "stirring > shit up". A troll, to translate, is a provocateur. There are numerous ways of doing the provocation. I suppose the classification is roughly into those who value the attention, and those who value the mischief. Either way, the non-feeding advice is always the soundest. I'm afraid meditations on essentialism for trollness, tenable or not, fail that test. Charles ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Jayjg is AWOL
by Daniel R. Tobias 28 Aug '07

28 Aug '07

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:40:50 -0400, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86(a)comcast.net> wrote: > And, who moderates the moderator? Who watches the watchmen? -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/

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When Websites Attack
by Iamunknown 28 Aug '07

28 Aug '07

> On 26 Aug 2007 at 17:00:07 +0100, <charles.r.matthews at ntlworld.com> > wrote: > [long line rewrapped in accordance with RFC 2822] > > "Daniel R. Tobias" wrote > > > > > * Anti-pedophile site Perverted Justice set up a redirect based on > > > HTTP referrers so that anybody following links to any page in their > > > site from Wikipedia get redirected to a criticism page that blasts > > > Wikipedia for not cracking down on pedophile editors. This made the > > > whole thing an "attack site" according to some who seem to think that > > > anything that has anything critical to say about Wikipedia is an > > > "attack" that must not be linked to. > > > > Question: What connection would there be between compiling an > > encyclopedia, and linking to any site which took the step of > > redirecting incoming links to somewhere not intended? > > I mentioned what was ultimately done in response to the redirection, > the changing of links to unlinked URLs in places where they're needed > as references. > > [snip] > > -- > == Dan == > Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ > Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ > Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/ (Sorry for the weird formatting. I signed up just now to reply to this post, so I don't have the e-mail to -actually- reply to.) Don't delink them! Just use Template:Derefer, in the format {{Derefer|http://URLHERE.com/|NAME OF THE LINK HERE}} It links to a website which, by redirecting to the target URL using meta tags, strips the HTTP request of the referring URL. I added it to [[Perverted-Justice]] and it worked just fine. We may want to set up a page on Wikipedia which does the redirecting (it would have be through the techies, since the wiki formatting would not support it) so that the template does not link to an outside URL, which someone could redirect to a malicious web page. --Iamunknown ([[User talk:Iamunknown]])

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Jayjg is AWOL
by Fred Bauder 28 Aug '07

28 Aug '07

Jayjg is actively engaged in our conversations. Fred >-----Original Message----- >From: Steven Walling [mailto:steven.walling@gmail.com] >Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 12:08 PM >To: 'English Wikipedia' >Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Jayjg is AWOL > >Navou is correct that a simple absence doesn't entail desyssoping. But >failing to respond to repeated attempts to engage for the purpose of an >ArbCom hearing most definitely has resulted in indef blocks, if not >desyssoping.

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advise to handle an user
by Martin Møller Skarbiniks Pedersen 27 Aug '07

27 Aug '07

Hi, I have read many wiki pages about abuse but I am not still not sure how I should handle the user Johnhenry22. All his edits has been vandalisme. On which wikipedia community pages should I report him ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Johnhenry22 Here are some of his edits (all reverted) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muslim_history&diff=152571583&old… http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Old_Dan_Tucker&diff=153238781&old… http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bruce_Springsteen&diff=153624967&… http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bruce_Springsteen&diff=153622757&… Regards Martin "TraxPlayer"

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Jayjg is AWOL
by charles.r.matthews＠ntlworld.com 27 Aug '07

27 Aug '07

"Frank Bellowes" wrote > The claimed "absence" is a fact. AWOL is Absence Without Leave, of course. If there is anyone I should be asking before I take a vacation, can you point them out to me? I did think we were all volunteers. Charles ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Michael Moore's website attacking WP editor
by charles.r.matthews＠ntlworld.com 27 Aug '07

27 Aug '07

William Pietri > But sometimes our skins are awfully thin. I agree. There is no reason to behave as a rebuttalbot just because you are a Wikipedian. When Seth Finkelstein was posting here, I felt we collectively were too defensive. Charles ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

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Michael Moore's website attacking WP editor
by George Herbert 27 Aug '07

27 Aug '07

Alledging a conflict of interest, Michael Moore's website now has started attacking en.wp editor [[User:THF]] (see http://www.michaelmoore.com/ and [[WP:ANI#Attack site]] ). They've got live "edit this page" links on the site linking to THFs' userpage (not even User talk:, but main userpage) and the Sicko film page. Isotope23 has tried to contact the webmaster, but this is sort of a wierd situation... -- -george william herbert george.herbert(a)gmail.com

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Subject: Re: Jayjg is AWOL
by Avi 27 Aug '07

27 Aug '07

Per e-mail I have received from him, he is dealing with personal issues, but he is neither AWOL nor unaware of what is occurring on wikipedia. --Avi ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Steven Walling" <steven.walling(a)gmail.com> > To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:16:18 -0700 > Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Jayjg is AWOL > Um, his contrib > histor< > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%253AContributions&contrib… > >y > doesn't show anything since the 4th. That doesn't look to be a lie to me. > Please elaborate. > > On 8/27/07, Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)wikia.com> wrote: > > > > NavouWiki wrote: > > > He does not have to explain his absence. > > > > The claimed "absence" is a lie. > > > > --Jimbo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WikiEN-l mailing list > > WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > -- en:User:Avraham ---- pub 1024D/785EA229 3/6/2007 Avi (Wikipedia-related) <aviwiki(a)gmail.com> Primary key fingerprint: D233 20E7 0697 C3BC 4445 7D45 CBA0 3F46 785E A229

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Re: [WikiEN-l] When Websites Attack
by Daniel R. Tobias 27 Aug '07

27 Aug '07

On 26 Aug 2007 at 16:07, Armed Blowfish wrote: > It doesn't matter if the attack site is 'evil' or not. It doesn't > even matter if the content actually qualifies as an 'attack' (by > whatever standards), or is just hurtful to someone. It's about > protecting people (usually editors, but not always) from > psychological harm, or occasionally other types of harm. That's too subjective a standard. The things that offend individuals, and possibly cause them psychological harm, are as varied as humans are. Protecting everybody from every real or imagined harm they may claim is inconsistent with allowing individual freedom. > Again, courtesy blankings and deletions are not sanctions against > any one. I've never much liked courtesy blankings either... I'm from the old- school geek mindset of "Information wants to be free". -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/

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