WikiEN-l August 2007

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Re: [WikiEN-l] What en:wp would look like printed out
by charles.r.matthews＠ntlworld.com 29 Aug '07

29 Aug '07

"David Gerard" wrote > On 29/08/2007, michael west <michawest(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > i wonder what the (schools) wikipedia 0.5 equates to? (free to download > > http://torrentfreak.com/torrents/wpcd.zip.torrent ) Its certainly better > > than the equivent most homes had in the 80/90s. > > > Not sure about Wikipedia 0.5 (~2000 articles), but SOS's press release > for the Wikipedia Selection for Schools (~4000 articles) says it's > equivalent to 15 volumes: > > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/SOSChildrenUK2007 > > "The Selection DVD has the content of a 15 volume encyclopaedia - with > 24,000 pictures, 14 million words and articles on 4,625 topics." There doesn't seem to be a standard "volume" used as unit. [[Wikipedia:Size_of_Wikipedia#Hard_copy_size]] uses a volume more than 50% larger by number of words. Neither of those is close to normal books. Charles ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

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Re: [WikiEN-l] What en:wp would look like printed out
by charles.r.matthews＠ntlworld.com 29 Aug '07

29 Aug '07

Puppy wrote > > Clearly inaccurate. Citeneeded is much larger. Possibly true. [[Double counting (fallacy)]] illustrated, anyway. Charles ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

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Statistic needed: uptake of Wikipedia?
by David Gerard 29 Aug '07

29 Aug '07

I've been asked for a statistic and I'm not sure where to look: the uptake of Wikipedia. That is, how many new users come to the site per unit time (any unit time). Could be readers or editors, could be English Wikipedia or all Wikipedias. Anyone got a pointer to a substantiable number? - d.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] drama and incivility
by Monahon, Peter B. 29 Aug '07

29 Aug '07

> Earlier: ... A great part of the cancer I refer to is the attitude of some persons in the Community who not only condone, but actually encourage, the type of personal attack statements that began this conversation. And, the practice of some of calling names and labeling people they disagree with, rather than either engaging them in the subject or moving on ... Peter Blaise responds: Agreed. On http://www.mediawiki.org/ (the parent software wiki for Wikipedia) I objected to the http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Don't_be_a_dick page which "officially" encourages all sorts of disrespect in the community. I get the attempt at humor. I just prefer humor that does not depend on ridicule and denigration, which I find unhealthy for the sender at least as well as unhealthy for the receiver of such disregard. Result? Banned. Ouch! So much for the Wiki Media Foundation believing in their own proto-democracy tool! This is what I mean by: "Power corrupts. Absolute power (to ban) corrupts absolutely." Hey, I'd LOVE to continue my contributions to the success of the Mediawiki efforts: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&contr ibs=user&target=peterblaise ... but what can any of us do when the incivility and drama are admin-inflicted and enforced? WikiScanner is nice as a user check, but who check the admins? http://mashable.com/2007/08/14/wikiscanner/ http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/ -- Peter Blaise

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Statistic needed: uptake of Wikipedia?
by charles.r.matthews＠ntlworld.com 29 Aug '07

29 Aug '07

"David Gerard" wrote > I've been asked for a statistic and I'm not sure where to look: the > uptake of Wikipedia. That is, how many new users come to the site per > unit time (any unit time). Could be readers or editors, could be > English Wikipedia or all Wikipedias. Anyone got a pointer to a > substantiable number? What Brianna Laugher was saying at Wikimania: http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proceedings:BL1 Charles ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Jayjg is AWOL
by Daniel R. Tobias 29 Aug '07

29 Aug '07

On 27 Aug 2007 at 19:27:25 +0100, "David Gerard" <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Go away, you trolling fuckwit. There's no "No Personal Attacks" policy on this list, apparently. -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Jayjg is not AWOL
by Fred Bauder 29 Aug '07

29 Aug '07

We may err. Fred >-----Original Message----- >From: John Lee [mailto:johnleemk@gmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 09:43 PM >To: 'English Wikipedia' >Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Jayjg is not AWOL > >On 8/29/07, Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)wikia.com> wrote: >> >> Daniel R. Tobias wrote: >> > On 28 Aug 2007 at 14:57:16 -0700, "George Herbert" >> > <george.herbert(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Either the system works... we are mostly honorable people, and have >> >> enough honest and principled people that if something seriously >> >> sinister started someone would stand up and publically announce it and >> >> call for it to end. >> > >> > ...and get labeled a "troll", his messages summarily deleted as >> > trolling, and eventually he gets banned, then any subsequent person >> > who expresses similar ideas gets labeled a "sockpuppet" and banned >> > too, even more summarily. And the clique pats themselves on the back >> > for defeating another bad guy. >> >> I don't think that's a fair description of what goes on at all. > > >Might not be fair, but it reflects the perception of how we deal with >whistle-blowers. Arguably we haven't had a serious case of something rotten >in the state of Wikipedia being exposed, but is there any assurance that how >we deal with false whistle-blowers will not be the same way we deal with >real ones? > >Johnleemk >_______________________________________________ >WikiEN-l mailing list >WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >

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Australian Government Closes anon status to staff on WP
by michael west 29 Aug '07

29 Aug '07

Anonymous editing aint bad - just dont break COI, now where has free speech gone in Australian government departments? http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22299984-5005961,00.html "The Defence Department has blocked employees from altering information on Wikipedia after 5035 edits by defence staff were detected." "Defence has closed personal edit access down, though employees will still be able to browse Wikipedia for information purposes," a defence spokesman said. mmmmmmmm

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Re: [WikiEN-l] drama and incivility
by Fred Bauder 29 Aug '07

29 Aug '07

Yes, we must embrace the dull business of maintaining an encyclopedia. Fred >-----Original Message----- >From: William Pietri [mailto:william@scissor.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 07:07 PM >To: 'English Wikipedia' >Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] drama and incivility > >Christiano Moreschi wrote: >> [...] Most people don't have anything to write any more, so they >> start fighting instead. Seeing [[Africa]] as a redlink and writing "Africa >> is a continent" is fun, but that doesn't happen anymore (and "Africa is a >> big continent" is no longer an FA). So, people turn to drama as an >> alternative, because conflict is fun as well. A shame, but in this respect >> enwiki has become the victim of its own succcess. [...] > >That's a very interesting point. It reminds me of some large-company >offices I have visited. > >My worry would be that this is a self-reinforcing process. That drama >would drive out people with no taste for drama, increasing the fun gap >between drama and serious work. > >Is that inevitable? I hope not, but all the solutions that pop to mind >involve... more drama. > >William > > >-- >William Pietri <william(a)scissor.com> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:William_Pietri > >_______________________________________________ >WikiEN-l mailing list >WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Jayjg is not AWOL
by Daniel R. Tobias 29 Aug '07

29 Aug '07

On 28 Aug 2007 at 13:01:26 +0100, "James Farrar" <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > It's one of those irregular verbs, isn't it? > > I occasionally play devil's advocate > You are a troll > He has been placed on moderation Or, when discussing external sites that criticize Wikipedia: My site has reasonable, legitimate criticism. Your site is full of dubious, misguided critiques. His site is an evil attack site... ban it! -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/

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