WikiEN-l February 2007

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Deletions - do we cut a bit of slack for the Third World
by Brian Salter-Duke 17 Feb '07

17 Feb '07

Please take a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kathmandu_Univ… Should we, as I suggest there, cut a bit of slack for artciles about something in the Third World, or do we just accept the "no reliable third party sources for notability" mantra. It is just a stub and the information seems well supported by the external link to the School site. Not perfect, I agree, but I do not suppose Kadmandu newspapers are searched by Google and that is not perfect either. I would welcome views in general on this sort of thing, without asking any of you to intervene in that discussion for deletion. Brian -- Brian Salter-Duke b_duke(a)bigpond.net.au [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity

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Re: [WikiEN-l] corporate "problems with articles" seems to be working a bit
by Gregory Kohs 17 Feb '07

17 Feb '07

David Gerard said: ++++++++++++++++ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:17:36 +0000 From: "David Gerard" <dgerard(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WikiEN-l] corporate "problems with articles" seems to be working a bit The "problem with your article?" page for en:wp is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us/Article_problem/Factual_e… It directs people to either the Help Desk or to OTRS. The Help Desk appears to be getting a few reasonable queries from organisations, which are being dealt with properly. No flood of crap yet, which is good :-) OTRS volunteers - how's it looking from your side? - d. ++++++++++++++++ My experience with it has not been so impressive, and I've e-mailed David Gerard about this privately, and I didn't receive a response back from him, so I don't know why he's saying things are being "dealt with properly". I will assume good faith. I submitted through "Factual error from enterprise" form what I thought was a reasonable request for remedy, on January 30th. Having not heard back from them by February 8th, I sent a follow-up e-mail asking if I should expect a response, or whether my query had fallen through the cracks. The rather frazzled response from "Wesley Northrup" came to me a few hours later: >> Dear Gregory Kohs, >> Thank you for your mail. You said: "Should I expect that the info-en-q team will be responding to me directly in any way?" >> Do you have any idea how clogged our mail queue is? We're doing the best we can. - - - - I think you can see the inherent problem of Wikipedia handling corporate concerns of libel this way -- 10 days is a little long for a concerned party to wait for any reply, and even then, only after a second query had to be sent. Now it is February 15th (two and a half weeks from the first missive), and I have still not received any meaningful response, other than the information that the OTRS mail queue is "clogged". I don't mean to be a wet blanket -- I'm actually glad that Wikipedia is seeking to take some of the "corporate concerns" issues out of the hands of Jimbo and Brad (I feel that they are too busy, and rightly so, with more important operational matters), and letting some of the esteemed volunteers process these concerns is likely to result in more cooperative outcomes. But, to me, it looks like my concern is not being "dealt with properly", as Gerard would suggest. Kindly, Greg -- Gregory Kohs Cell: 302.463.1354

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Wikipedian Rhapsody
by Flame Viper 17 Feb '07

17 Feb '07

The story of Flameviper, told through song... Is this the real life, is this just a wiki Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality Open your Firefox, look up at the blocks and see I'm just a vandal, I need no sympathy Because I'm easy come, easy go, little high, little low Anyway the block blows, doesn't really matter to me ...to me ArbCom, just made attacks, put my fingers to the keys Typed a message, now it's free ArbCom, WikiLife had just begun But now I've gone and thrown it all away ArbCom, oooh... Didn't mean to make you fry If I'm not logged on this time tomorrow Carry on, carry on, as if nothing really matters Too late, my block has come, sends shivers down my spine Laptop's aching all the time Goodbye everybody, I've got to go Leave this all behind and face the Net ArbCom, oooh (anyway the block blows) I don't want to be banned, I sometimes wish I'd never edited at all I see a little silhouetto of a ban Yank-a-sox, Yank-a-sox, will you do the vendetta Blocked at speed of lightning, very very frightening me All the sysops (all the sysops) All the sysops (all the sysops) All the sysops, Jimbo Wales (Magnifico) But I'm just a vandal and nobody loves me He's just a vandal with a trolling history Spare him his computer from this monstrosity Easy come easy go, will you let me go Flameviper! No, we will not let you go, let him go Flameviper! We will not let you go, let him go Flameviper! We will not let you go, let me go Will not let you go, let me go Will not let you go, let me go No, no, no, no, no, no, no On IRC, on IRC, on IRC let me go Jimbo Wales has an unblock put aside for me, for me, for me So you think you can troll me and spit at my reply So you think you can block me and leave me to die Oh Wiki, can't do this to me wiki Just gotta get out, just gotta get right out of here Nothing really matters, anyone can see Nothing really matters, nothing really matters to me Any way the block blows.... --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.

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Extended Toolbar
by Jonathan Buck 17 Feb '07

17 Feb '07

In the tables page of the meta.wikimedia site, the example shows a toolbar with many more buttons. Is this custom work, or a flag somewhere?

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Analysis: Google traffic to Wikipedia up 166% year
by Flame Viper 17 Feb '07

17 Feb '07

I can understand Google Images (after all, we do need our pr0n). But Myspace? That... that simply degrades my faith in humanity from +10 to -25. --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Limited Sysop
by Flame Viper 16 Feb '07

16 Feb '07

My earlier comment on a possible "writer" status was kind of stupid. And it wasn't refined... I propose that for the "editor" status (my proposal for a user right between user and sysop), one would have the capabilities to edit protected articles, view deleted revisions, and generally view admin-olny things (but not actually perform sysop actions per se). And they might have a toolbar that would allow them to nominate these things... --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Kris Straub PWNZed Wikipedia
by SonOfYoungwood＠aol.com 16 Feb '07

16 Feb '07

I think it proves that certain factions or editors are becoming too deletionist. | Tyler | Zorin Deckiller | | Wikipedia Administrator | Former SWU member | | _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Deckiller_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Deckiller) | | _http://www.myspace.com/redsectora_ (http://www.myspace.com/redsectora) |

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In hospital
by Parker Peters 16 Feb '07

16 Feb '07

In hospital. Only get a couple minutes, but I may be able to get a laptop or something later if they will allow it. There's a trucking company from arkansas named C Bean that needs to be run out of business. Their trucker actually tried to tell the cop it was my fault when he merged into the left most lane, crushing my car between his trailer and the concrete barrier. I'm just lucky it was rush hour traffic and we were moving 25 rather than 60. wife says i'm going to have a 'really sexy scar pattern' when i recover.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Admin burnout
by SonOfYoungwood＠aol.com 16 Feb '07

16 Feb '07

To keep burned out admins from leaving, we need to give them praise and encouragement. They need to be seen as some of our most valued contributors. We might also want to set up incentives. | Tyler | Zorin Deckiller | | Wikipedia Administrator | Former SWU member | | _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Deckiller_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Deckiller) | | _http://www.myspace.com/redsectora_ (http://www.myspace.com/redsectora) |

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ATTN: Truthholder
by Flame Viper 16 Feb '07

16 Feb '07

Message: 12 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:19:50 -0600 From: "Truth Beholder" Subject: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: Fascistopedia as Slashdot notes it, definitely To: wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed And now the fascist patrol has locked my page so I can't request unblock, how fucking fascist typical of fascistopedia. Slashdot was right, you're nothing but a bunch of arrogant fascist assholes. Truth Beheld, Wikipedia is a bunch of Fascist Assholes. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Truth Beholder Date: Feb 15, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Fascistopedia as Slashdot notes it, definitely To: wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org So I followed a slashdot link to an essay on you fascists and to a user discussion on your admins noticepage and I noticed one of your bad faith people closed the discussion despite people raising questions. I made a note and went on and was trying to edit wording on the atomic energy page when one Theresa Knott comes along and decides to be a fascist bitch. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_not… http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:TruthBeholder&action=history She even goes around lying what she does too, claiming the discussion wasn't blocked when clearly the note left there by the bad faith admin facsists said otherwise. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATruthBeholder&diff=10… Wikipedia's just a bunch of lying fascists I see. TruthBeholder, beholding the truth of the fascistopedia. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l End of WikiEN-l Digest, Vol 43, Issue 104 ***************************************** Please stop being an asshat. You were blocked because you joined Wikipedia and immediately started calling us "fascists" and making a scene. If you want someone to agree with you and sympathize with your point of view, calling them "fascist assholes" won't help. --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

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WikiEN-l February 2007