Puppy wrote
> It seems to me a good point
> has been made - if you want all suicides, then having to traverse all
> subcats is tedious, to say the least.
I have occasionally wanted this feature: flatten out all subcategories of something into a list. I hope we see it.
That does not mean that I want [[Category:Mathematics]] to consist of 15000 pages. How would that help anyone? I have actually done work, on [[Category:Set theory]] (where I was thanked) and [[Category:Fluid dynamics]] (perhaps unnoticed) on getting useful subcategories; which then can sit inside two or more higher-level categories. This all adds to the convenience of the user. It is quite a good idea, in many cases, to consider splitting categories which have gone 'over the page'.
Charles
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> From: "Steve Bennett" <stevagewp(a)gmail.com>
>
> On 12/21/06, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> A while back I wrote about a self-publicising vanity author. One of
>>> the details I'd liked to have note was the complete (or near-
>>> complete)
>>> absence of his books in public library catalogues, but it's almost
>>> impossible to actually find a way to cite a "negative search" much
>>> less a positive result...
>>
>> Indeed, that would end up being OR - quite simple OR, but OR all the
>> same. It's annoying when you know something that apparently no-one
>> has
>> published, but there isn't much we can do about it. (Unless you
>> happen
>> to be an expert on the subject and can publish it yourself)
>
> If that is OR then WP:NOR is a broken rule.
A citation is essentially a very simple piece of research that can
easily be reproduced by anyone without specialist knowledge.
I don't see what that can't be broadened just a bit. For example,
let's suppose a library has an online catalog... let's say an online
catalog that's accessible to anyone. (Two that come to mind are the
Cornell University Library, and the 16,000-volume public library of
Bergen-op-Zoom in the Netherlands... well actually it seems to be
offline but it was available a few years ago).
You can't prove a negative, but you can certainly say "his book is
not in the Cornell University Library" or whatever, and cite a link
to the search or a description of how to do the search. This doesn't
seem very different to me from a citation.
Some thoughts (copied from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Username#Clarification ):
The facts are:
* for the moment, non latin accounts are blocked on sight.
* in the very future, SUL will merge all accounts from the same person into
one single account.
What bastique and others, including me, ask is:
* blocking accounts in a different alphabet should not be the default
behavior anywhere, neither on the english-language wikipedia nor on the
japanese or russian ones.
* If people use their account to add interwikis sometimes, there should be
no problem with them keeping their non latin username.
* If people are active on the project, we assume they know the language at
least a little. Thus, we can ask them to use an alias (see
[[Special:Preferences]] > signature) readable by the people on this project.
--
Guillaume Paumier
Disciplus Simplex
http://fr.wikipedia.org : Resistance is futile — You will be assimilated.
I noticed that some people add credits of photos inside the articles,
saying that CC-BY requires attribution.
Shouldn't photo credits be allowed *only* in the image description page?
I don't see why images would have a special status when compared to text
contributions, the credits for which are found also a click away, in the
edit history.
AFAIK, there's no policy disallowing photo credits, but there should
be one clear policy to discourage that -- it would also be a place
to point people when asking about that. :-)
(I'm not referring to photos by famous photographers who have their
own articles, but to photos uploaded by users or found on Flickr)
I've been seeing a rise in in-article copyvios. Last night I got one
in [[Content managment system]]. I know that only some paragrahs have
these copyvios, and not entire articles, so complete rewirtes aren't
necessary. Thus, I'm attempting to write a script that
(a) opens tabs with "Special:Random" on them
(b) select the first setence from each paragraph (line break)
(c) Google the sentence
(d) If there are any exact matches not from en.wikipedia.org, put up a
little message for me to check and remove the copyvio.
(e) repeat.
Problem is, all I know is Applescript. If any of you Perl or
pywikipedia or AWB-types have another way of writing this, can someone
write it so the general community can use it to remove copyvios? (or
is this possible with AWB?)
Chris (Ccool2ax)
Forwarding from foundation-l, after a brief discussion between myself and
the original poster. See more at:
http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-December/thread.html
"English Wikipedia ethnocentric policy affects other communities" --
specifically, our username policy, and the practice of blocking non-Latin
usernames on sight.
Seems a number of multi-wiki users have felt pushed away or chagrined by
this policy. Single-login seems like it might render the whole thing a moot
point -- are we ready for the implications of that? Or does anything need to
be done? Do we know how single-login will affect each wiki's ability to set
and enforce a username policy, and if so, should changes to the policy
result?
Myself, I'm not sure of the answers to any of these questions, just yet. But
it seems like we may as well discuss it.
Apologies if I just happened to miss a prior thread -- if it's already
happened, I don't remember seeing it.
-Luna
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Aphaia <aphaia(a)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 20, 2006 12:07 AM
Subject: [Foundation-l] English Wikipedia ethnocentric policy affects other
communities
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
Hello,
today a user on Japanese Wikipedia whose account is in Kana (a
Japanese script) came to our Admins' noticeboard to request for
chaning his username. He said he would have liked to do so because he
had changed his username on English Wikipedia.
I repeat again the English Wikipedia community should reconsider how
shameful and discriptive policy they has about users' identity and
respect of cultural diversity, and how badly it affects other
communities. I am very sorry to see such a request fullfiled to our
request page.
Cheers,
--
KIZU Naoko
Wikiquote: http://wikiquote.org
* Nessuna poesia prima di noi *
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I assume most of the list's readers know what problems we've been having
with the TFA each day on the main page (vandals inserting shock images into
transcluded-on-transcluded templates). In case some don't, I'm posting this
to see if anyone has ideas off how to avoid this. It's been discussed
extensively on ANI, and there does not seem to be a workable solution to it.
The images are being uploaded by sleeper socks old enough to upload them,
and protecting every single template on TFA (including
transcluded-on-transcluded ones) can be tedious for the admins. I've
suggested perhaps substituting the templates before they become TFA (and
re-transcluding after), but do the other list readers have any solution?
--NSLE
BTW, are there any plans for a bibliographic database? Something like
BibTex meets MediaWiki.
If it wasn't such a pain to add references people would do it more
often. First, one has to find the right template. Then one has to
figure out how to use it. And there is no way to find out if someone
else has already typed in the same reference in another article.
Chris