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User levels proposal on Pump
by Chris Picone 28 Dec '06

28 Dec '06

Sorry for the spam, but there's a proposal on Village Pump that I would appreciate comment on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#New_per… https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28pr… Chris

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New ideas for fundraising needed. Start here!
by David Gerard 28 Dec '06

28 Dec '06

On 28/12/06, Teun Spaans <teun.spaans(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 12/28/06, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 28/12/06, Teun Spaans <teun.spaans(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 6) Has there ever been an open call to all wikipedians to provide > > > suggestions to the foundationboard of ways to receive money? > > Does continuously saying "our traffic level is stupidly high and costs > > a fortune / everyone at our web ranking has an actual budget and > > income stream / we're operating on a shoestring / we're desperately in > > need of cash" count? > No. > Did I really have to say that? ;-) Then take it as read ;-) Perhaps we can get going on creative new ideas for fundraising! Post your idea below: ---> - d.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] How do "deletionists" find articles to delete?
by charles.r.matthews＠ntlworld.com 28 Dec '06

28 Dec '06

"David Ashby" <x > Tangent: so the banning of IP article creation has totally failed in > its stated goal, namely to cut back on the "FIREHOSE OF CRAP"? > > Interesting. Perhaps it's time for a re-examination of that policy. Well, it is somehow logically possible that if IP number editors could create new articles, there would be no more bad articles created than now. On the other hand, it is more plausible that there would be even more. What do you think? Two or three times more? The restriction is in line with the 'soft security' policy/style, which is to have multiple filters each of which has some effect. Charles ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

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Re: [WikiEN-l] The boundaries of OR (contd)
by charles.r.matthews＠ntlworld.com 28 Dec '06

28 Dec '06

Marc Riddell wrote > Quite seriously, though, I believe one of the persistent flaws in Wikipedia > that is preventing it from having a wider, more professional acceptance is > its policy 'anyone can edit'. Well, it is the wiki-pedia, and wiki implies anyone can edit. There are any number of other ways of setting up websites. It happens that Wikipedia is massively productive, and successful in comparison with other approaches. Concentrating on expertise would, for example, mean discouraging editors from straying outside their specialisms. The whole dynamic of building up the community of Wikipedians has gone quite the other way, with broad-based generalist editors doing sterling work. Charles ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

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A question about a living person article.
by Brian Salter-Duke 28 Dec '06

28 Dec '06

Would a few people who have a better feel for libel of living persons please take a look at [[Michael Somare]] and the edits made by [[User:Masalai]]. Take a look at the discussion at [[User talk:Masalai]] with one comment also on my talk page. When these were added earlier I reverted them, but they now have sources and a claim that Somare has not taken legal action in PNG. They seem to me to be making a claim that Somare has behaved in an inproper way. Is this acceptable with the sources. This article is missing sources but the main new claim is sourced so that it a separate issue. -- Brian Salter-Duke b_duke(a)bigpond.net.au [[User:Bduke]] mainly on en:Wikipedia. Also on fr: Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki and Wikiversity

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Re: [WikiEN-l] User:Virgin United creates article for Virgin Unite
by charles.r.matthews＠ntlworld.com 28 Dec '06

28 Dec '06

"Steve Bennett" wrote > Uncyclopaedia or the Wikipedia Review are going to love this one. > > 1) We ask for donations > 2) Virgin Unite offers donations > 3) Virgin Unite creates an article on itself, totally above board, > using its own name > 4) Virgin Unite gets blocked > 5) The article about Virgin Unite gets expanded, then nominated for > deletion. (and, as noted, kept) There was no real hint of 'conflict of interest' about [[Virgin Unite]]. Someone seems to have assumed that User:Virgin Unite was editing for the organisation; and that the few words posted were detrimental. Why? The nomination for AfD had no merit. Charles ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

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Let's not call imperfections "broken"
by Daniel P. B. Smith 28 Dec '06

28 Dec '06

> From: Guy Chapman aka JzG <guy.chapman(a)spamcop.net> > > We deleted > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_big-bust_models_and_performers > due to sourcing issues. It was overturned at DRV without the sourcing > issues ever being addressed. It was relisted and speedy kept. It > still has sourcing issues. > > What is "big"? Where is the external source that defines "big"? What > sources are used to include the individuals concerned? No sources are > cited. The lead of the article is original research and the contents > is "phwooooar! look at the tits on that!" > > It is always dispiriting when an article that reduces the average > quality of the project is kept in this way... I voted to delete this article. I think it's a steaming pile... or at least a wobbly mound. But please, I really, really, REALLY wish that people would ease up on the hyperbole. A case where one specific article or edit is handled inappropriately does not mean that the process is broken. "List of big-bust models and performers" is somewhere reasonably near the borderline. _I_ happen to think it's well outside, but, you know, pressure from groups of people can and does shift the borderline for articles where there are "special interests." There is also a consistent tendency to apply lower standards for articles that are "fun" and that invite casual participation by non-expert users. In Wikipedia, as in life, it's not reasonable to expect that the best- functioning processes will work perfectly and discriminate flawlessly on razor sharp bright-line boundaries.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] WikiEN-l Digest, Vol 41, Issue 193
by zero 0000 28 Dec '06

28 Dec '06

> From: "Steve Bennett" <stevagewp(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] The boundaries of OR (contd) > To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org> > Message-ID: > <b8ceeef70612222344k3e5ba806ub0285a333ca38ca5(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 12/22/06, Daniel P. B. Smith <wikipedia2006(a)dpbsmith.com> wrote: > > Nit-picks/genuine questions (my musical literacy is almost nil): > what > > is "the" key of a piece of music which modulates into many > different > > keys and has different key signatures marked within the score? Is > it > > a general rule or custom or convention that the first key signature > > which appears in the score is "the" key signature? > > I think convention is that the first key signature is "the" one. But > for certain styles, it's certainly possible to have an introduction > in > a different key...it would be very simplistic to imply that any lay > person could successfully determine the key of any piece by following > rules listed in Wikipedia. > > > Nit-pick number two: how do you tell by looking at the music > whether > > it is in C Major or A Minor? That is, can you always unequivocally > > tell the key of a piece of music by glancing at it, or is judgement > > sometimes involved? > > To a musical expert, it's usually pretty clear, but there are > exceptions. And don't forget atonal music which is usually written > without a specific key signature (ie, superficially like C major and > I > minor). And some music actually does have a "key" but was originally > published with no key, using accidentals instead. You would be wrong > to describe such a piece as being in C major... > > So, this was a bad example, but that's probably all. No, these observations mean that it was a GOOD example. There are always issues like this that arise in practical situations. In this example, if the key is obvious (that is, anyone who understands music notation would agree on what the key is), then we can write "the key is E-flat". If the key is not clear for some reason, then deciding the key becomes original research and we need to go looking for a published source that says what the key is. The boundary between the two cases is not precise, but that's life. Anyway it is "safe" in the sense that if one editor writes "the key is E-flat" when it isn't completely obvious, someone else will come along and slap a "citation needed" on it (preferrably with a note on the talk page). Zero. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Acces to Sub-categories
by Marc Riddell 28 Dec '06

28 Dec '06

Hello out there! This is an issue I have been confronted with for months now. Each time I have asked about it , what answers I have gotten thus far have been mostly avoidances. Here is the problem: Since the implementation of the new format, I have lost all access to subcategories. When I go to a Main Category and click on its subcategories, all I get is the word 'loading' and nothing more! Help!! Frustrated & desperate!!!! Marc Riddell

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Wikipedia Club of New York
by Christopher Thieme 27 Dec '06

27 Dec '06

I might have to come back early from Sun Valley (where I have been since last night and was to be until February 1st) to meet Jimbo and spend some time off the slopes to put something together. As the guest of honour, what kind of event would you prefer to kick off the WCNY? Regards Christopher D. Thieme P.S. Newyorkbrad...thinking of the above...when are your Gilbert & Sullivan performances? On 12/26/06, Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)wikia.com> wrote: > > I will be in New York on the 26th of January and the 1st and 2nd of > February. (i.e. two Fridays in a row). > > Maybe the timing will be right for me to join the festivities... > > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >

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