WikiEN-l April 2005

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New contributor and article plans
by Michael P. Hopcroft 22 Apr '05

22 Apr '05

Hi! I just signed up for my Wikipedia account and have done my first two edits. (I added a note about "The Inner Light" winning the 1993 Hugo and added character descriptions to the article for "You're Under Arrest!".) I don't know how to start a new article, but there are several I want to do. I need to do a little research on them, but what I would like to do is: Notable Filk Artists: Heather Alexander Cecilia Eng Dr. James Robinson (fromerly Dr. Jane Robinson) Card Captor Sakura character proflies: Sakura Kinomoto Li Syaoran Tomoyo Daidouji Yukito Tsukishiro/Yue Eriol Hiiragizawa Touya Kinomoto Kaho Mizuki Keroberos (Kero-chan) Ruby Moon and Spinel Sun Role Playing Game Titles (if they aren't already there) Champions Big Eyes, Small Mouth Filk Albums Cold Iron (Leslie Fish) The Undertaker's Horse (Leslie Fish) Chickasaw Mountain (Leslie Fish) Firestorm; Songs of the Third World War (leslie Fish) Fossil Fever (Dr. James Robinson) Fandom Terminology E+T Lemon Relationshippers Any suggestions on how to go about doing this once the research is done.

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RE: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia: "Viscious, greed-driven, megalomaniacal fascists, fairy thugs, censors, and gay dogs"
by Poor, Edmund W 21 Apr '05

21 Apr '05

> "As you know, Derek and those he is defending - his > associates-in-hiding - are chortling with delight as > they continually delete ... I take offense at the sheer viscosity of this torrent of slander. But that's all water under the bridge (my pathetic liquid ego, conceit and arrogance are still very much intact ;-) Uncle Ed King of the self-regarding egomaniacs

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Opus Dei - have we become their publishing house?
by Alex Regh 21 Apr '05

21 Apr '05

Hello! Today I wanted to read [[Opus Dei]] - and frankly, I didn't exactly like what I saw. The article reads like it was written by the Opus Dei. Checking the history, I found that mainly two IPs have been editing the article a *few* times, spamming it with Opus Dei POV, and completely drowning the remaining bits of criticism. . Compare http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Opus_Dei&oldid=10888580 to the current version. Now, I put a Totally Disputed tag into it, but I don't really feel like doing a rollback, because I have to would roll back more than 600 (!) edits. (For the same reason I can't give you a diff - max shown are 500.) Given that people still hit us with that one "checking" of WP where we didn't call the disputed birth date of somebody I never heard of "disputed" [1], well, if those people find that article, we will never hear the end of it - besides the minor problem of the article not exactly being up to WP standards, like NPOV. Something should be done, but as I said, I don't really feel I should do a rollback on my own. Alex [1] http://www.webpronews.com/news/ebusinessnews/wpn-45-20050419MicrosoftEncart… -- If you don't go over the top, you can't see what's on the other side. --- Jim Steinman --- Alex' Assorted Homepages: www.alexsite.de

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Wikipedia: "Viscious, greed-driven, megalomaniacal fascists, fairy thugs, censors, and gay dogs"
by Viajero 21 Apr '05

21 Apr '05

An anon user named Jeff Sense kept inserting an article he wrote into [[Mario Lanza]] and various of us reverted him because the text was highly POV (it is supplied as a external link though). He takes his revenge on us in a Lanza fan forum (Derek is new user User:Derekmcgovern): "As you know, Derek and those he is defending - his associates-in-hiding - are chortling with delight as they continually delete my bio in their morbid dictating of what people may and may not read and consider about Mario's life and career. Derek's defense of this gay group's behavior is beyond redemption. Fascists are fascists. Censorship is censorship. My bio has been deleted from Wikipedia nearly a dozen times now. Their games continue. Viscious, greed-driven, megalomaniacal fascist thugs and censors will not go unchallenged. The EXACT same kind of maggots fed off Mario and his talent in life, and this current coterie of diseased, limp-wristed parasites are doing the exact same thing today. They are but gay dogs scurrying about urinating their pathetic liquid egos, conceit and arrogance on all things Lanza. Those who hide - and have hidden for years in the Lanza world under rocks and behind aliases - are of the dark side...fairies who seek to present themselves as the only true 'authorities' on the life of Lanza and to oppress all those who would stand up to them. The transparent attacks on this site in the past, the fake names, the pornographic posts, the aliases, all come from the same mindset...all from the same psychopaths who live in gratuitously deluded worlds of self-importance. We know who you are and you are the most vile, despicable alleged 'fans' of Mario Lanza one could ever imagine." http://www.quicktopic.com/30/H/ECKcxtRbxUTNy LOL - the only thing he left out was our proclivity for autofellatio. V.

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Alexa breakout
by Charles Matthews 21 Apr '05

21 Apr '05

Not Kate Winslet, but easy on the eye: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=3m&size=large&comp… Charles

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Prudishness and censorship
by Rick 21 Apr '05

21 Apr '05

--- jfdwolff(a)doctors.org.uk wrote: > Avoiding these images, or having a Preferences key > to prevent their display, is NOT censorship. It is > part of achieving the goal of Wikipedia, as I have > argued above. It is also not a violation of NPOV, as > an image is not a POV. It is being plain sensible, > sensitive and broad-minded. I love how those who are trying to censor Wikipeida are calling THEMSELVES broad-minded. And they continue to fail to address where the line is drawn. The author contends that we should cater to the millions of people worldwide who would be offended by Ms. Winslet's blurry breast, but makes no suggestion to remove all images of women's faces, which would obviously offend our Muslim readers. Or the images of the massacre of Nanking, or the image of the naked girl running from napalm. Or the image of a man with a gun to his head. Or the image of Rachel Corrie about to be mowed down by a bulldozer. RickK __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide

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RE: [WikiEN-l] Links to porn sites
by Kevin Rector 21 Apr '05

21 Apr '05

> Of course you would. You're offended by the image of > one blurry breast. A porn site would certainly offend > you. I'm surprised your head didn't explode. Rick, please quote me exactly where I said I was offended by that picture. I can guarantee you that I've NEVER said that I was offended by the Kate Winslet picture. So stop putting words in my mouth, it makes you look foolish. Furthermore, for all you know I absolutely love porn and porn websites. I don't, but the fact remains that you don't know anything about me. So you really should not talk about me at all. The urge to call you all sorts of names is very strong... but... I... will... resist.... You seem to be so blinded by your zeal for whatever the heck it is that you're standing up for that you missed my point entirely. It's not even about porn. It's about what the sites we link to provide. Here's a non-porn example: Let's say there's www.billybobsfishingworld.com. Now, let's further say that www.billybobsfishingworld.com exists to sell fishing information to people who like to fish. However, the only way to get that information is to put in a credit card because www.billybobsfishingworld.com is a pay site whose primary commodity is itself. My position (and again, so that you can cool your jets -- it has nothing to do with porn) is that we should be very hesitant to link to pay sites in articles where the purpose of the site is to be a pay site. So in this example in the article for the world renowned fisherman [[Billy Bob]] we would not link to his "official site" since it's just a way for Billy Bob to make more money and is not a way for our readers to find out more about the actual topic of the article, namely Billy Bob. We need not drive traffic for Billy Bob; he can buy that himself. Of course it goes without saying that if there is substantial information freely provided about Billy Bob at www.billybobsfishingworld.com then that is a different story and then we should link away. And yes, I do recognize that this would probably have to be implemented on a case by case basis. -Kevin

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RE: [WikiEN-l] Links to porn sites
by Rick 21 Apr '05

21 Apr '05

--- Tony Sidaway <minorityreport(a)bluebottle.com> wrote: > Kevin Rector said: > > > > Yes, I do believe that if a non-nude can > illustrate an article as well > > as a nude can then the non-nude should be used. > > Why in this case, though? The whole point was that > she posed nude wearing > the Heart of the Ocean for Jack, and the treasure > hunters looking for the > diamond found the picture. That is the McGuffin > that holds the whole > story together. You get that contrast, the many > contrasts in that movie. > Great opulence above decks, poverty below. A naked > young girl full of the > promise of life, an ancient old woman at the end of > it. Also it's a very > pretty picture. I wish we could get an image of Jack's drawing to use as an illustration. THAT shows her completely nude, instead of just one breast. But then, it's a drawing, and not a photo, so apparently that's more palatable. RickK __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [WikiEN-l] The horror of it all (was: Suggestions for a work-safe encyclopedia)
by Rick 20 Apr '05

20 Apr '05

--- Tony Sidaway <minorityreport(a)bluebottle.com> wrote: > Poor, Edmund W said: > > > > > If your friend or co-worker was on a diet (perhaps > for medical > > reasons), how often would you amuse yourself by > teasing him, "Hey, > > Billy, want some ice cream? It's chocolate, yer > favorite!" Knock it > > off, will ya? > > This seems a very strange line of argument. Are you > comparing Ms Winslet > to a large dollop of ice cream? Who is this person > on a diet? Should I > perhaps stop consuming food in public, lest I entice > someone else to > over-eat? How about those horror movies I was > chatting about? It doesn't > bear thinking about, does it? What kind of appetite > would *they* incite? And by the same reasoning, we should remove all images of animals, so as not to tempt the people who are trying to overcome their bestiality. And the images of people, so as not to tempt those who are trying to avoid the voices in their heads which are telling them to murder people. RickK __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Re: prudishness and censorship
by jfdwolff＠doctors.org.uk 20 Apr '05

20 Apr '05

Tony wrote: >Could we drop this really very silly fig-leaf? What we do on >Wikipedia is censorhip--it's unavoidable, part and parcel of what we >do in producing an encyclopedia. When we decide what should and >should not belong to Wikipedia, we're censoring Wikipedia. It's >censorship, and there's no big deal about it. Why this huge, tiresome >monstrous effort to find another name for it? I think you're devaluating the term "censorship". You have not responded to my observation that internal control of content is not strictly "censorship", and this is definitely not a figleaf (or a coloured block, for that matter :-). We actually control content all the time, through the means of VfD. Apart from hard-boiled trolls, nobody has ever applied the term of "censorship" to the VfD process. To reiterate my view: Wikipedia aims to produce an encyclopedia for the widest possible readership. This readership is reduced if it attains a reputation for containing inappropriate images. My employer's web access blocking tool already blocks out Wikipedia. JFW ____________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned by the StreamShield Protector antivirus system. Free education for all doctors. The simple, fast way to prove you are keeping up to date. http://www.doctors.net.uk/freelearning ____________________________________________________________

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