Hi guys,
Here's a hypothetical for you. Say somebody posts a piece of
information about, say, an American-designed weapon, to the Wikipedia.
A piece of information that the US government would prefer to be kept
secret and thus is classified. Now, the person that originally leaked
the information could certainly be punished under US law, but is the
Wikipedia under any *legal* obligation to delete the information,
assuming it's relevant?
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Ray Saintonge wrote:
> Delirium wrote:
>
>> Ray Saintonge wrote:
>>
>>> Another thing to keep in mind is the three-year limitation for
>>> taking action on a copyright violation. If something has been on
>>> the site for at least three years it is probably safe to keep. The
>>> argument that continuing availability may result in new limitation
>>> periods can probably be countered by invoking the doctrine of laches.
>>
>> However, republishing in another medium, such as publishing a print
>> edition of Wikipedia, probably would easily restart the limitation
>> period.
>
> That's debateable. With GFDL the history of the material should be
> traceable. A fairly recent case involving laches went against the
> Church of Scientology because they had delayed the enforcement of
> their rights. This was despite the fact that the limitation period
> had not yet expired when they started their action.
Two points are worth noting here. First of all, in case it's not clear,
the doctrine of laches can only apply if the plaintiff knows about the
infringement and fails to complain. If, as is very likely, a copyright
holder did not know about infringing material on Wikipedia, then laches
would not prevent a claim based on the continuing availability of the
material within the statute of limitations.
Second of all, if the Scientology case Ec alludes to is the New Era
Publications v. Henry Holt case that I've read, I should mention that
laches was only applied to deny an injunction against publication. It
did not prevent a remedy for monetary damages.
So the notion he suggests, that anything that's been on Wikipedia for at
least three years is safe to keep forevermore, probably should not be
used as a "rule of thumb" for copyright problems.
--Michael Snow
--- "Poor, Edmund W" <Edmund.W.Poor(a)abc.com> wrote:
> Imagine a poor country with a non-democratic government. They want to
> educate their people, but they are unwilling to tolerate some small
> number of ideas. Should we make it DIFFICULT or EASY for them to select
> a subset of articles for an Encyclopedia of Lessitania?
It should be easy, yes. Wikibooks badly needs an �export this book� feature.
Being able to export based on category would solve the Wikibooks issue and the
one you speak of. Of course, saying that is much easier than doing it. :)
-- mav
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Using the team isn't a good idea because they they've both played for a
number of teams.
-Kevin
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[mailto:wikien-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Orford
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:16 PM
To: English Wikipedia
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Disambiguation in the same category
You are sure they're different people, aren't you? :) How about using
the names of their teams: [[Petr Sykora (Anaheim player)]] and [[Petr
Sykora (Pardubice player)]] (I think)?
On Apr 5, 2005 5:48 PM, Kevin Rector <krector(a)compco.com> wrote:
> We couldn't use "forward" and "right wing" because a right wing is a
> type of forward. Also, they are both centers (another type of
forward).
>
> -Kevin
>
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> [mailto:wikien-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Josh Gordon
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:47 AM
> To: English Wikipedia
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Disambiguation in the same category
>
> Well, IMDB does it as [[Petr Sykora (I)]] and [[Petr Sykora (II))]];
> their
> FAQ says that there's no hard and fast rule how they order them, but
> they
> try to use one or more of: who is most famous, who came first
> chronologically, or who is searched for more often. But in this case,
> why
> not say [[Petr Sykora (NHL forward)]] and [[Petr Sykora (NHL right
> wing]]?
>
> jpgordon
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Their birth years are different. How would that be formatted, [[Petr Sykora (born 1977)]] and [[Petr Sykora (born 1979)]]?
-Kevin Rector
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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:44 AM
To: English Wikipedia
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Disambiguation in the same category
If they have truly identical names, can they be distinguished by their birth year?
Theo
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:26:31 +0100, Kevin Rector wrote:
> I need some advice. What should I do when there are two people in
> the
>
> same category with the same name? For instance, if there were two
> people
> name Joe Blow and one was a soldier and one an author I could do
> something like this: Joe Blow (author)|]] and [[Joe Blow
> (soldier)|]].
> But what do I do if they are the same thing.
>
> Here's a real world example, there are two ice hockey players named
> Petr
> Sykora. They are both Czech, both have played in the NHL and both
> are
> notable enough for an article. Do I make the most notable (he
> already
> has an article) [[Petr Sykora]] and the less notable [[Petr Sykora
> (2)]]? If not, how do I handle this? Thanks.
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How about next year, we put an announcement on the main page stating
Wikipedia is now removing all potentially offensive images, and then
change the mediawiki code so that it will not render images! :)
On Apr 4, 2005 9:37 AM, Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales <jwales(a)wikia.com> wrote:
> Ok, I think next year we should not tolerate what went on this year.
> But we should try to do something fun.
>
> Of all the ideas that I saw proposed, I think that the absolute best
> compromise between those who love the holiday and those who are not
> great fans of it would be to have the main page be 100% real and
> accurate in every last respect, but *also* to have it be filled with
> stories that people would naturally suspect to be hoaxes.
>
> [[Exploding whale]] is a nice example, as is [[Holy prepuce]] (which
> was a real featured article already).
>
> Here's what I like about this compromise: first, it satisfies those of
> us who understand that Wikipedia is first and foremost a serious
> encyclopedia. Second, it satisfies those who want to have fun
> tricking people on April 1st.
>
> And finally, and most important, it appeals to all of us on both sides
> of the debate who are intellectual snobs. :-) Any lame website can
> come up with fake stories *yawn* to trick people *yawn*. Only we
> ubergeeks of Wikipedia can come up with *real* stories to trick
> people.
>
> --Jimbo
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I like the birth date approach, and it seems to be the one the most
people have suggested. So I'm going with [[name (b. date)]].
-Kevin
I suggest the format
[[Petr Sykora (b. 1980)]]
Bishonen
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I need some advice. What should I do when there are two people in the
same category with the same name? For instance, if there were two people
name Joe Blow and one was a soldier and one an author I could do
something like this: Joe Blow (author)|]] and [[Joe Blow (soldier)|]].
But what do I do if they are the same thing.
Here's a real world example, there are two ice hockey players named Petr
Sykora. They are both Czech, both have played in the NHL and both are
notable enough for an article. Do I make the most notable (he already
has an article) [[Petr Sykora]] and the less notable [[Petr Sykora
(2)]]? If not, how do I handle this? Thanks.
-Kevin Rector
Years of birth or birthdate have been used as
disambiguaters before. One could be, for example,
[[Petr Sykora (1972)]] and other [[Petr Sykora
(1980)]] (just using those years as examples.)
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We couldn't use "forward" and "right wing" because a right wing is a
type of forward. Also, they are both centers (another type of forward).
-Kevin
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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:47 AM
To: English Wikipedia
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Disambiguation in the same category
Well, IMDB does it as [[Petr Sykora (I)]] and [[Petr Sykora (II))]];
their
FAQ says that there's no hard and fast rule how they order them, but
they
try to use one or more of: who is most famous, who came first
chronologically, or who is searched for more often. But in this case,
why
not say [[Petr Sykora (NHL forward)]] and [[Petr Sykora (NHL right
wing]]?
jpgordon
On Apr 5, 2005 9:30 AM, JAY JG <jayjg(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >I need some advice. What should I do when there are two people in the
> >same category with the same name? For instance, if there were two
people
> >name Joe Blow and one was a soldier and one an author I could do
> >something like this: Joe Blow (author)|]] and [[Joe Blow
(soldier)|]].
> >But what do I do if they are the same thing.
> >
> >Here's a real world example, there are two ice hockey players named
Petr
> >Sykora. They are both Czech, both have played in the NHL and both are
> >notable enough for an article. Do I make the most notable (he already
> >has an article) [[Petr Sykora]] and the less notable [[Petr Sykora
> >(2)]]? If not, how do I handle this? Thanks.
> >
> >-Kevin Rector
>
> Do they have a middle name or initial?
>
> Jay.
>
>
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