> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 03:43:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Daniel Ehrenberg <littledanehren(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Adam [name omitted for privacy reasons]
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> --- Tucci <tucci528(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I welcome him back as long as he promises that it
> is
> > his goal to write neutrally-phrased articles and
> > maintain reasonably cordial relations with others.
> >
> > On another note, there has been doubt about his
> > actual/perceived/desired gender. Since he is now
> > apparently going by Adam, does that mean he would
> > like
> > us to refer to him as a male?
> >
> > TUF-KAT
>
> Yes. He is and has always been male. We've sometimes
> refered to him as female because some of his aliases
> were female, but that was only to trick us.
> LDan
You think it is a trick, and thus *bad behavior*, to
hide a male status under a female name, or not to
mention one is a female under a male name ?
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Adam [name omitted for privacy reasons] and I have been having a long discussion, and he would
like for me to reinstate him. He is of the belief that I am the only
one who would be against this, although he does allow as there may be
some complaints from those who have been most strongly against him in
the past.
However, at this point in time, I have no objections to his return,
and would like to reinstate him under the name 'Adam [name omitted for privacy reasons]'.
The interpersonal courtesies that would be expected of him at that
point would be the same as expected of anyone. That is to say, he
would not be on any sort of extra-special probation, although of
course he should be aware that some people will be wary of him at
first.
The important thing, to me, is that Adam has approached this with me
in the right way this time. We've talked it over, we've talked about
various alternatives, and I feel comfortable with his sincerity. He's
gone so far as to give me an example of an edit he would like to make,
and the reasons for it, and it all sounded fine to me.
The point of this letter is to ask people with strong objections and
concerns to send them to me, and privately at first please, because
this type of interpersonal matter is seldom made better by public
argument. However, and in the interests of sunshine, if anyone has
any complaints that they feel should be made public, go ahead with
that if you must. I just think it'd be better if we cleared things
up quietly and with dignity.
I know this may be a controversial decision, and I want to make it
carefully and with ample opportunity for people to express their
views.
--Jimbo
P.S. for those concerned about the 'Pizza Puzzle' connection, please
note that whether or not this user is in fact Adam (and he has told me
directly that it is not him), PP has not edited anything in nearly a
month and a half. So that's a problem in the past, I think.
Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)ctelco.net> wrote:
>on 9/10/03 10:24 PM, Rick at giantsrick13(a)yahoo.com wrote:
>>Is Stevevertigo correct that, because the page doesn't specifically have a
>>copyright on it, it's fair game to be stolen and incorporated onto
>>Wikipedia? I can't believe that.
>
>You should not believe that. Everything is copyright by its author, if no
>one else, notice or no notice, unless it has been released into the public
>domain either by the passage of time, some specific license to use it or
>simply a declaration that people are "free to use it" as one sometimes sees.
U.S. copyright law has dispensed with the notice provision since
joining the Berne Convention in 1988.
Stephen Carlson
--
Stephen C. Carlson,
mailto:scarlson@mindspring.com
"Poetry speaks of aspirations, and songs chant the words." Shujing 2.35
The web server 'larousse' which holds the English wikipedia (and
test.wikipedia.org) is down due to problems with a software upgrade that
will require some on-site maintenance.
I've called Jason, he's on his way (thanks Jason!); hopefully this
should be sorted out within a few hours.
Sorry for the inconvenience...
All non-English wikipedias, meta, wiktionary etc are unaffected.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Americans might be aware of a recent court case
involving a student suing on the basis of being
punished in school for using the word "fuck", which he
claimed was an infringement of his right to free
speech. The kid's lawyer filed a long brief detailing
the history of the word, which apparently uses
Wikipedia's article as a source. See
http://thesmokinggun.com/archive/fword1.html
TUF-KAT
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Oh please, RickK! That does not mean you. It means Kwantus. Nobody who has
seen five minutes of your work thinks you don't do any editing. You were the
one who pointed out that Quantus doesn't. Stop being so friggin' paranoid.
JT
>
>Fine. I'll stick to my own articles and ignore all the rest of Wikipedia.
>
>Please take my sysop powers away. I won't be needing them.
>
>RickK
>
>JFrost8401(a)aol.com wrote:
>This sort of project is bound to attract semi-autists with no social
>skills. Nevertheless, I don't think it's acceptable to pass the editing on
>to others because you can't be bothered to do it yourself.
>
>Jim
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This sort of project is bound to attract semi-autists with no social skills.
Nevertheless, I don't think it's acceptable to pass the editing on to others
because you can't be bothered to do it yourself.
Jim
Who is 217.158.106.90
<http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=21…>
?
Why are they adding category tags? are we ready for these to go live?
I don't think we are -- I see a "?" link on a line of its own at the top
of each tagged page.
could this IP please stop to discuss this?
======= At 2003-09-07, 19:00:00 Daniel Ehrenberg wrote: =======
>I also don't think that anons should be treated
>differently than other non-sysop users, this is just
>discriminating against them.
>LDan
Is such discrimination prevelant? The only distinction I make between the two "classes" is that an uncommented change from an anon user on Recent Changes is the most likely type to be an act of vandalism. Otherwise, I don't go about reverting changes from anon users or anything of the type. I also don't see any real opportunity to "discriminate" against an anon user since such a user doesn't have a static talk page, probably doesn't belong to a mailing list and probably doesn't post much in the way of discussion.
-Alex Tievsky
www.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:Basil Fawlty