WikiEN-l August 2003

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Update to gfdl copyright notice needed
by Michael Becker 12 Aug '03

12 Aug '03

It has been discussed (here: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Sites_that_use_Wikipedia_for_c…) that the gfdl notice on the bottom of every page needs updating. The following notice is the result of the discussion "All text is available under the terms of the [[Wikipedia:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License|GNU Free Documentation License]]. See [[Wikipedia:Copyrights]] for suggested practices." I would like to request that as long as no one has any more suggestion to make on the talk page, this new notice be instituted ASAP. Also, the "Printable version" pages need to have the same notice (currently they don't). -- Michael Becker

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Re: [WikiEN-l] DW now on French wiki.
by james duffy 12 Aug '03

12 Aug '03

>james- > > I received the following message: > > > Hi; I thought you might be interested in knowing that DW is up to his >old > > shenanigans on the French wiki under the name JacquesD. (I'm off on >vacation > > so may not be able to reply for a while) - Hephaestos 16:07, 11 Aug 2003 > > (UTC) > > > Does a hard ban apply across the wikis? If it does, shouldn't DW as > > JacquesD be automatically banned? Comments please. >Erik asked >Has it ever been safely established that Jacques Delson and DW are the >same person? If I remember correctly, he used both the name and an IP number, the latter of which DW has also used, as had other 'DW' identities. He edited the same pages the same way, reacted in an identical way to criticism, appeared immediately after DW's previous identity had left and was the replaced straight away by an IP which DW used and which was then replaced by another DW identity who in turn when rumbled was replaced by another DW identity. JT _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Easter Bradford
by Graham Burnett 12 Aug '03

12 Aug '03

Someone with an axe to grind keeps inserting POV stuff into http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Bradford and accusing anyone who makes any changes/reverts of being a 'liar'. Personally I've never even heard of Easter Bradford, but could somebody else cast an eye on this before I get drawn into an edit war about something I couldn't even care less about? Cheers Graham

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DW now on French wiki.
by james duffy 11 Aug '03

11 Aug '03

I received the following message: Hi; I thought you might be interested in knowing that DW is up to his old shenanigans on the French wiki under the name JacquesD. (I'm off on vacation so may not be able to reply for a while) - Hephaestos 16:07, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC) Does a hard ban apply across the wikis? If it does, shouldn't DW as JacquesD be automatically banned? Comments please. JT _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Islamofascism
by james duffy 10 Aug '03

10 Aug '03

>From: tarquin <tarquin(a)planetunreal.com> >Reply-To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org >To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org >Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Islamofascism >Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:16:17 +0100 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from pliny.wikipedia.org ([130.94.122.197]) by >mc10-f35.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sun, 10 >Aug 2003 11:16:13 -0700 >Received: from pliny.wikipedia.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])by >pliny.wikipedia.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7AIG3f14577;Sun, 10 Aug >2003 18:16:03 GMT >Received: from ntmail.gamespy.com (mail1b.gamespy.com [207.38.1.98])by >pliny.wikipedia.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h7AIFqf14560for ><wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org>; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:15:52 GMT >Received: from [172.190.201.48] by ntmail.planetunreal.com (NTMail >7.00.0022/AX0191.00.1ce0e1da) with ESMTP id vnhtwsaa for >wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:15:46 -0700 >X-Message-Info: EoYTbT2lH2MsQxQLKd6QGg8OdPqYrWLN >Message-ID: <3F368BF1.3010108(a)planetunreal.com> >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 >X-Accept-Language: en-us, en >References: <174.1ee33087.2c678e91(a)aol.com> <174.1ee33087.2c678e91(a)aol.com> ><5.2.0.9.2.20030810105353.03227bf0(a)digitalgrapefruit.com> >In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030810105353.03227bf0(a)digitalgrapefruit.com> >Sender: wikien-l-admin(a)wikipedia.org >Errors-To: wikien-l-admin(a)wikipedia.org >X-BeenThere: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 >Precedence: bulk >List-Help: <mailto:wikien-l-request@wikipedia.org?subject=help> >List-Post: <mailto:wikien-l@wikipedia.org> >List-Subscribe: ><http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l>,<mailto:wikien-l-request@wikipedia.org?subject=subscribe> >List-Id: Discussion list for English-language Wikipedia ><wikien-l.wikipedia.org> >List-Unsubscribe: ><http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l>,<mailto:wikien-l-request@wikipedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >List-Archive: <http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/> >Return-Path: wikien-l-admin(a)wikipedia.org >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2003 18:16:13.0405 (UTC) >FILETIME=[7B7720D0:01C35F6B] > > > >Dante Alighieri wrote: > >><editorial> What the world REALLY needs to do is put all the people like >>this from both sides into a room and never let them out. </editorial> >> >> >I saw a great feature on a news programme recently, about a project in >Israel which arranges for people on opposite sides to speak to each other >regularly on the phone. >Does anyone know the name & can we have an article on it? > >it's grass roots things like this that will have a lasting effect on >attitudes :) Don't DARE ask Anthere, Stevertigo, MyRedDice, myself and everyone else to speak on the phone to RK!!! *grin* lol JTD _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: User:Kenneð
by Mirko Thiessen 10 Aug '03

10 Aug '03

> Someone may wish to put a block on User:Kenneð who's gotten involved > in this JoeM / Islamofascism debate. Kenneð has responded with a > death threat (now deleted). I think we have a precedent in these > cases? > Sysops can view what he wrote here: > http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Undelete&target=To > talitarian+Islamofascism&timestamp=20030810130312 The wording was "shut the fuck up JoeM. PS I i know where you live you sick fuck and ill hunt you down like the vermin you are with my police issue 9mm." This user has a preference for profanity, as you can see, when looking at this old version of his talk page: http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Kenne%F0&oldid=1268903 Of course I do not want to defend user JoeM in any way, who does nothing than inserting blatant POV (as Danny said before). He is as problematic as his counterpart. Cheers, Mirko (Cordyph)

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JoeM, Paektu & Palestine liberator the same messer?
by james duffy 10 Aug '03

10 Aug '03

I suspect that [[User:Palestine liberator]], [[User:Paektu]] and now [[User:JoeM]] are the same person, purely on the basis of edits. All three 'users' have notable similarities in style, and Paektu's and JoeM's user pages are strikingly alike in construction. All three strike me as provocative 'characture' users created to provoke people. The views of all three are not merely extreme but ludicrously extreme. Paektu claimed to be a stalinist, yet his writings seemed clichéd and phoney, basically an act. Ditto with Palestine liberator who didn't seem concerned with promoting an NPOV analysis of the middle east and actually appeared to know surprisingly little about the topic for someone who pretended to know a lot, and seemed to me merely an exercise in screwing up pages and causing chaos for the fun of it. JoeM's stuff seemed equally extreme, nutty and phoney, as if trying to pick a fight. Their edits seem too suspiciously loopy and deliberately ludicrously provocative to be genuine. I can't help wondering whether any banned user with a grudge isn't trying to get revenge. One particular banned user did after all come on some time ago posing as paedophile, even asking if he could download pictures of any children we had. (A real paedophile wouldn't have asked, just done so. That user wanted to let everyone /know/ what he was up to, as if trying to taint wiki with paedophilia, perhaps hoping it would damage us. These three 'characture' users seem in a similar vein. JT >Jimbo wrote >This sounds like an only 10% milder counterpart to the Palestinian >activist from last week. Well, if he keeps it up, I approve that we >should put him on auto-revert unless and until he gets the message. > ><editorial>What the world needs to do is put all the people like this >from both sides into a room and tell them that the outcome will depend >on them fighting each other. But while they are in there distracted, >the rest of us sane people can figure out solutions that are mutually >acceptable and reasonable to all sensible parties.</editorial> > >daniwo59(a)aol.com wrote: > > > User JoeM is constantly reinserting a POV diatribe on this topic, under > > various names: Islamofascism, Totalitarian Islamofascism, >Islamo-fascism, World War > > IV. (In my mind, an article that begins with the assertion "Evil exists" >is > > already questionable and hardly encyclopedic.) He has been asked to stop >and > > been reverted incessantly. It's just wasting people's time. > > > > Danny >_______________________________________________ >WikiEN-l mailing list >WikiEN-l(a)wikipedia.org >http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Watchlist
by JFrost8401＠aol.com 10 Aug '03

10 Aug '03

There have been suggestions (well, at least one) for a shorter watchlist limit on number of articles. It seems to me that you ought to be able to keep track of at least the articles which you have written from scratch, or effectively done so, minus redirects. As someone who does a lot of new articles, I can live with 750, but not 100, if it means that I can access my watchlist all day. Jim Frost

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Easter Bradford
by james duffy 10 Aug '03

10 Aug '03

>At 09:41 AM 8/10/2003, you wrote: > >>--- Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)bomis.com> wrote: >> > In the year in the future when I win both the Nobel >> > Peace Prize and >> > the Grammy for my a capella lipsynched rendition of >> > old Milli Vanilli >> > classics, I will permit an article about me. >> > >> > --Jimbo >> >>Even if you were just CEO of Bomis and Wikipedia was >>started by someone else, you'd still deserve an >>article. But as head of a giant free encyclopedia >>project, the biggest and most useful wiki in >>existance, you definately deserve one. There are >>already stubs about you in other langauages, such as >>polish. Why can't these accomplishments be enough? >>-LittleDan > >Dante wrote The irony here is that Jimbo can't really /prevent/ us from >creating an article about him without using a bit of heavy-handed >dictatorial power (which he usually seems loath to do). > >So, it would seem, that if enough of us think there ought to be an article >about him, his "permission" would be hardly necessary. :) > But the question is, would his picture be "fair use" to use or might we get sued? :-) JT _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Watchlist
by james duffy 10 Aug '03

10 Aug '03

can you please write an improved routine for the >watchlist that's a lot faster and less painful for the database on long >watchlists than the current one? Thanks. > Hey Brion, I'm not criticising you. You do a damn good job keeping wiki together. But I do think a one hour link is completely useless. All its information will be available on the Recent Changes anyway. BTW I now use my watchlist set to longer parameters via my bookmarks. Could we issue a grading system for watchlists. ie. Will appear on watchlist, MAY appear on watchlist but could be disconnected centrally for periods to avoid system overload, with people asked to use the second as default and only tick the 'will' button for articles they really do want to keep track on, with each user having a maximum number of 'Will' ticks, say 100. That way, we could be guaranteed a watchlist of more than an hour for /key/ articles, with a full list functional when the system can cope with it. Is it also possible to redesign a program so that the watchlist only contains the link to where the article is, rather than links to all redirects people may have entered. I don't know if any of this is practicable. It is just a theoretical suggestion. JT _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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