WikiEN-l March 2003

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Slogan policy (was: DTK article)
by Poor, Edmund W 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

We need a policy on "titles of articles about slogans". Most of us would probably agree that the slogan itself should not be the title of the article: * [[AIDS Kills Fags Dead]] <= not a good title How about some convention like "Slogan: XYZ" or "The slogan: 'XYZ'", as in: * [[Slogan: Death to Moonies]] * [[The slogan: Moonies stink]] (Note that I used a slang word for own church in what I hope are two entirely imaginary slogans.) Uncle Ed -----Original Message----- From: Toby Bartels [mailto:toby+wikipedia@math.ucr.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 11:58 AM To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] DTK article >In the spirit of [[Aids Kills Fags Dead]] and in honor of Cungcator ("you >and JD a consensus do not make") rather monolithic view of the article >(considering Axel now endorsed its deletion... ) I have penned [[Death to >Kikes]], an informative article about kikes... and soon to come: Shouldn't that be [[Death to Kikes slogan]]? And shouldn't the article be about the slogan, not about Jews? To be analogous to the AKFD case, that is. -- Toby

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Chill, dude!
by Poor, Edmund W 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

Steve, Please stop teasing Vicki. And stop demanding an apology. Vicki is the least offensive person on this mailing list. If there's a crucial point that needs explaining, then simply clarify it. All these personal asides are very distracting to the issue at hand, which is, um, that is to say, hey, what *IS* the issue here, anyway? Uncle Ed

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RE: [WikiEN-l] Slogan policy
by Poor, Edmund W 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

Okay, I just wrote and submitted a first draft of [[Slogan:Power to the People]] to the Wikipedia. Uncle Ed -----Original Message----- From: Ray Saintonge [mailto:saintonge@telus.net] I support inserting the word "slogan" in such situations; whether we like them or not we can't ignore the plain fact that such slogans do exist. Putting "slogan at the end of the title such as in the suggested [[Death to Kikes slogan]] would not be as effective. The point which the title must make is that it is a slogan, and it is being quoted. Adding "The" at the beginning serves no purpose, and only makes the title uselessly longer. Some slogans can already be too long. I'm not sure whether a colon is the proper punctuation, but that is a relatively minor point. Eclecticology

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the term 'USER'
by Stevertigo 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

Doesnt it sound well... anti-collegial, ... I suggest maybe "Comrade:name" or com: for short... of editor: or ed: for short... or contributor... cont: for short...

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placeholder entry
by None 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

This is a placeholder due to old mailing list archive corruption.

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Summer 2003
by K Forstner 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

Apart from all the conferences and official meetings -- any Wikipedian planning to spend a day or two in Vienna, Austria this summer (or at any other time of the year), just contact me and we'll have a beer together (or any other drink of your choice). Kurt Forstner aka KF

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Re: Medical Disclaimer
by Daniel Mayer 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

On Wednesday 19 March 2003 09:26 am, wikien-l-request(a)wikipedia.org wrote: > Jesse and all, > > This is just the question whether Wikipedia is meant to be a reliable > reference source. > > If not, it should be clearly stated that _no_ information is meant to be > taken seriously. > If yes, we must be prepared to be responsible for what we write here. > We cannot be sure that someone wouldn't take some misguided action reading > some joke put in by a vandal (even accessible for a short time to > readers). > Wikipedia could be available in print and all reliable printed sources give > such disclaimers. Not only to be on the safe side legally but to be > responsible to their readers. > > Let's see to it that Wikipedia is not a health hazard. > > Regards, > Kpjas. I agree - Wikipedia is in constant development by volunteers and has many rough edges. Therefore a blanket disclaimer linked from the the same place as our copyright notice is, is needed for all articles. This would also be needed for a sifter version too - otherwise our editors or the Foundation can be held liable if somebody uses an article to their detriment (even if that detriment is getting an F on a test or blowing up your lab). Using Wikipedia is like installing pre-beta software on your computer. So we should communicate this fact to people and also mention that because we are a wiki /they/ are also responsible for the accuracy of articles they read (if they find a mistake then they should fix it right away and not become indigent about it). So this problem isn't unique to medical articles. -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav) WikiKarma The usual at [[March 15]]

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Annual or semi-annual conference
by Poor, Edmund W 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

If we hold the conference in New York City, I can arrange space at the New Yorker Hotel, which one block away from Penn Station. If you're coming by train, Penn Station is probably more convenient than Grand Central. Depending on the number of people, I can get a banquet room (holds up to 200 people) or just a friend's conference room (up to 20 people). Either way, there will be plenty of Internet bandwidth to go around! Let's make it happen, people! Uncle Ed Jimbo wrote: << I am fond of the idea of an annual or semi-annual conference, held at different places around the world (for convenience for different people) to promote wikipedia _community_. [snip] Summer/Fall, 2003, East coast of US Winter/Spring, 2004, West coast of US (Vegas, baby!) Summer/Fall, 2004, Europe Winter/Spring, 2004, Asia/Australia >>

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Thanks are not enough *sniff, choke, sob*
by Poor, Edmund W 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

On behalf of all us Wiki-addicts, I thank you heartily for devoting so much time, energy and money to the Wikipedia project. We can never repay your great generosity. ...except maybe by being good Wikicitizens and contributing well-researched, neutral articles! Uncle Ed -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Wales [mailto:jwales@bomis.com] [snip] We're getting a new (second) machine for wikipedia -- the parts have been ordered and are being shipped to Jason, and then at some point soon, he'll drive down to San Diego to install everything. --Jimbo

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Disclaimers (was Medical Disclaimer)
by Daniel Mayer 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

Eclecticology wrote: >Jesse Alter wrote: > >> *DISCLAIMER* >> >> Please remember that Wikipedia is offered for informational use >> only. The information is in most cases not reviewed by >> professionals. You are advised to contact your doctor for >> health-related decisions. >> >> Should we be adding disclaimers like that to most of the articles? >> Do we even need a disclaimer? If so, I think it should be >> somewhere else, like on the front page, and not on each article >> we have. I can only imagine seeing the big red disclaimer on >> [[Food Poisoning]], [[Peyronie_disease]], [[Gingivitis]], [[Cancer]], >> and [[Chiropractic medicine]] :-P >> >> I thought of removing the disclaimer from each of the >> Hepatitis articles but decided I should get a consensus >>here, first. > >The disclaimer is in the right place. I disagree. We should have one page on Wikipedia that has all our disclaimers on it and this page should be linked from the non-editable bottom area on each page (in the same way as [[Wikipedia:Copyrights]] is linked from every page). This is standard practice for large web sites. There are at least several different disclaimers floating around Wikipedia that we should consolidate into one page. We should also add a legal disclaimer to the mix. -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav) WikiKarma The usual at [[March 14]]

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