Smart lad: these are all good questions. They cut right to the heart of the matter (I'll let the others take a crack at them first).
Lazy Uncle Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Ehrenberg [mailto:name12323@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:30 PM
To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: [WikiEN-l] NPOV
I have a few questions about NPOV:
Is it POV to classify something as a pseudoscience (and say that it's
definitely not true)?
Is it POV to say that communism never works in practice? (or something
similar)
Is it POV to only list some of the facts (by accident or on purpose) leading
someone to believe one point of view?
Is it POV to use words that can be '''interperated''' as insulting?
Please see the following articles. I wrote the first three, then renamed the last to conform to my proposed naming convention of [[Slogan:XYZ]].
* [[Slogan:Power to the people]]
* [[Slogan:Better dead than Red]]
* [[Slogan:Kills Bugs Dead]]
* [[Slogan:AIDS Kills Fags Dead]]
Uncle Ed
Any last words, before I disable the Susan Mason account, anybody?
Susan/Lir/Adam, do you have anything to say to the community?
Uncle Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Jimmy Wales [mailto:jwales@bomis.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 6:48 AM
To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: User:RachelCorrie
Jesse Alter wrote:
> Well, actually, I'd like to (posthumously) withdraw my objection to
> Lir's banning. I've found through conversation with Lir that they ARE
> posting as Susan Mason, and they are making personal attacks on people
> and they're lacking a uhh...cooperative spirit.
Then Susan Mason is banned, too.
--Jimbo
Did you just say you hate all jews?!
>As for my anti-Semitism... Im guess I'm in a good company with Chomsky,
>Avnery, and countless other paragons of intellect and truthspeak.. not to
>mention Jesus... all Jews, by the way.. Read attachment: As for not
>reading
>my mind... We would have to be on the same *page for that to be true...
>-SV
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I like Toby's idea of punctuating the slogan articles with quotes in the article title ("double quotes" floats my boat higher than 'single quotes', if we're gonna do this, because users searching Google are more likely to recognize it as "quoted text" that way).
If someone will change the existing 4 article titles...
hint, hint
Lazy Uncle
> >>Any last words, before I disable the Susan Mason account, anybody?
> >>
> Although I have not spent a lot of time on the "hot" issues, I become
> more than a little annoyed with the perpetual obsessive sniping over Lir
> and his/her several reincarnations. These often seem founded on the
> principle that if you barely suspect that Lir is involved then a
> presumption of guilt must apply. There is absolutely no room for Lir to
> redeem himself, no matter how much he tries.
>
What did Lir do that was so awful that they can't be redeemed? What has
Susan Mason done that warrants theri account being disabled? I followed bits
of the edit war over the Rachel Corrie page (though granted not the whole
thing), I thought Susan Mason conducted herself very civilly in the face of
the other person who was shouting at her and making all sorts of allegations
from a clearly POV position. SM was also POV but seemed to be more able to
compromise tahn the other person. Susan mason is certainly less troublesome
and making more valuable contributions than say, User:Michael, who seems to
have been let off the hook for his transgressions...
Or am I missing something?
cheers Graham (aka Quercus Robur)
He just did ask. C'mon, Steve, be nice to the kid, and answer his question.
Uncle Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Stevertigo [mailto:stevertigo@attbi.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:17 PM
To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Slogan policy (was: DTK article)
No, Daniel. Thats not what it says. Ask someone to interpret it for you
before you make insinuations that you should regret..-SV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Ehrenberg" <name12323(a)hotmail.com>
To: <wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Slogan policy (was: DTK article)
> Did you just say you hate all jews?!
>
> >As for my anti-Semitism... Im guess I'm in a good company with Chomsky,
> >Avnery, and countless other paragons of intellect and truthspeak.. not
to
> >mention Jesus... all Jews, by the way.. Read attachment: As for not
> >reading
> >my mind... We would have to be on the same *page for that to be true...
> >-SV
>
Should we make some sort of signup list?
>If we hold the conference in New York City, I can arrange
>space at the New Yorker Hotel, which one block away from
>Penn Station. If you're coming by train, Penn Station is
>probably more convenient than Grand Central.
>
>Depending on the number of people, I can get a banquet
>room (holds up to 200 people) or just a friend's
>conference room (up to 20 people). Either way, there
>will be plenty of Internet bandwidth to go around!
>
>Let's make it happen, people!
>
>Uncle Ed
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Ehrenberg [mailto:name12323@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:31 PM
To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Annual or semi-annual conference
Should we make some sort of signup list?
>If we hold the conference in New York City, I can arrange
>space at the New Yorker Hotel, which one block away from
>Penn Station. If you're coming by train, Penn Station is
>probably more convenient than Grand Central.
>
>Depending on the number of people, I can get a banquet
>room (holds up to 200 people) or just a friend's
>conference room (up to 20 people). Either way, there
>will be plenty of Internet bandwidth to go around!
>
>Let's make it happen, people!
>
>Uncle Ed
On Wednesday 19 March 2003 09:26 am, wikien-l-request(a)wikipedia.org wrote:
> We need to effectively communicate a disclaimer to our readers when
> appropriate, not hide it in a footnote. Please see what we have done at
> [[chiropractic medicine]]. That is how to communicate an effective
> disclaimer.
>
> Fred
Again, I disagree - it is really bad database design to have the same text on
hundreds of different pages. That just makes it more difficult to maintain
and places some type of onus on our contributors to write and insert them.
-- mav