WikiEN-l October 2003

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You look nice in that costume
by Poor, Edmund W 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

Martin, In your guise as user:My Red Dice, I imagine you as a kid dressed up for a Halloween party: with arms and legs sticking out of a huge, cubical box: painted red, with black dots on it (like one die from a pair of dice). You look good, mate. Ed Poor

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User:Non-liberals are stupid
by Daniel Mayer 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

LDan wrote: >I wish there were a more eloquent way to put this, >I'm sorry about User:Non-liberals are stupid. At the >time, I didn't realise it was trolling. I didn't mean to >waste your time. Well, "trolling" requires an intent to cause trouble for the sake of causing trouble. So even though your actions looked like trolling when we didn't know who "User:Liberal" and "User:Non-liberals are stupid", I know that that was not your intent. Apology accepted. :) -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)

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People who bicker over name-changes are stupid
by Poor, Edmund W 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

See how I sneaked in a POV in the "subject heading", heh, heh? And you guys thought that employing a username, so that it appears on Recent Changes, was a clever way to advance one's POV... ^_^ Why don't we all chill out and read a good, funny joke! See: http://www.unitedmedia.com/creators/onebighappy/archive/images/onebighap py2003101104552.gif Uncle Ed

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RE: [WikiEN-l] User names
by Poor, Edmund W 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

I think the standard on user names should be: "Anyone can call themselves anything, until and unless several people say that it offends them." By that standard, TMC had to be changed. But JisL has only 1.5 objectors so far: one says they're offended (after I SOUGHT a list of offended people), and the other says they slightly or mildly offended. That's no consensus. Much ado about nothing. Ed Poor

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Literals are stupid
by Poor, Edmund W 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

Calling other users "stupid" is counter-productive. I wish I could say it was "stupid", but then someone would pounce on that and yell "Gotcha!". We're so concerned with who's right and wrong and fair or unfair (and I point three fingers back at myself for each one I point at others), that we are quickly derailed from the track of trying to figure out a useful policy and create a passionate train wreck. This seems to happen right after each time someone gets banned; maybe it's an outlet for extra hostile energy? I guess all the carbon dioxide we exhale leads to lobal warming of the brain (bad joke, Ed, don't give up your day job for stand-up comedy! ;-) So let's not take everything literally, which is the subject of this peppy little editorial. Let's go back to basics: Assume Good Faith, and all that. Ed Poor

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Username changed
by Daniel Mayer 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

Ray Saintonge wrote: >What's become an even more peculiar turn in this saga >is that in some medieval views using God's name >backwards was a certain sign of being in league with >the devil. Are we to believe that his true colours are >those of a Satanist? :-D ROTFL! :-) You should mention that to them and see if it provokes another name change request. --mav

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User:Non-liberals are stupid
by Daniel Mayer 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

LDan wrote: >There was a vote. You cut it short >(it was only up for a couple of hours) >and then defied it. What? I did no such thing! You cut it short when you created yet another user account with a provocative and offensive name. JT rightly so banned that account. /You/ are the one who defied the vote. Stop wasting everyone's time. I will now stop feeding you. --mav

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User:Non-liberals are stupid
by Daniel Mayer 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

Andrew >That vote was to ban user:Liberal, not the other name. It was the same damn person! What's more is that they deliberately upped the ante by choosing an offensive user name. That needed to be stopped then and there. --mav

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User:Non-liberals are stupid
by Daniel Mayer 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

LDan wrote: >At the time I was banned (approx. 1 min after >my account was created), I had made no edits aside >from creating my userpage and editing User:Liberal's >talk page. I intended to use the account to make >completely NPOV edits on articles related US politics >to prove that usernames are irrelavent, but I was >banned before I could do that. The point I've been trying make all along was that user names /are not/ there to make points! What you did amounts to trolling and thus is something that warrents an immediate ban. However, since you have never done anything like this before and we all know that you are an upstanding young man, then I see no reason to ban *you* from editing under user:LittleDan so long as you promise not to pull a stunt like this again and not to edit under user:Non-liberala are stupid or similarly provocative user names. >Camembert said that this was a childish point to make, >but I don't see why. Maybe this is because I am a >child. Maybe Wikipedia isn't a place for children. Childish doesn't mean that all children are childish all the time. Many adults act childish (some almost all the time). However you almost always act very responsibly and have intelligence and reason way beyond your years. We all make mistakes and hopefully learn from them. If you'll try to not repeat this particular lapse of judgment again, then Wikipedia is most definitely a place for you. Oh, and you are a teenager, not a child IIRC. ;-) -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)

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Re:[WikiEN-l] User names
by Lee Pilich 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

Jake wrote: >And LDan: Chronological age is no big factor (at least not to me, and I feel >not to many), which is much of why I dislike when people call actions >'childlike', 'juvenile', or 'immature'... hell, I'm still a teenager (until >Saturday). I don't want to bang on about this, but when I called "Non-liberals are stupid"'s actions "childish" I meant that, in my opinion, trying to whip up an argument in that way to make a point is not a good thing to do. It wasn't meant as a dig at LDan's age, which, as you say, is completely irrelevant (in any case, I didn't know that Non-liberals was LDan when I said it). Anyway, perhaps it's not a good idea to call anybody childish, no matter what they're doing. I won't be doing it again any time soon... Enough of this - slip-ups all round, perhaps, but let's move on. There's an encyclopaedia to write. Lee (Camembert)

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