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EofT/142.177.etc/24 back as User:Mediator
by Daniel Mayer 14 Oct '03

14 Oct '03

RickK wrote: >See [[User:Mediator/ban]]. He's now making legal threats >of libel against Jimbo Wales. I have banned his IP address, >142.177.78.145 Only 999,999 IPs to go! He'll keep coming back in the 142.177 range since he is on a dynamic IP (Sympatico.ca; Toronto POP). Range bans become temping in this case.... --mav

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User names
by Daniel Mayer 14 Oct '03

14 Oct '03

Toby wrote: >I'm ashamed to see "if the community doesn't like it >then it must change" coming from such a respected >member of the community -- it is the death knell of a >community of individuals. Huh? So community standards should not apply to anything and individuals should be allowed to do whatever they want? Policy is formed by consensus. That means that the /community/ (the collection of individuals) has made the decision. You reasoning doesn't make /any/ sense at all. --mav

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Re: Louis Kyu Won Ryu
by Anthere 14 Oct '03

14 Oct '03

From: Louis Kyu Won Ryu <lazolla(a)hotmail.com> > The expression "Raising Cain," meaning literally to > bring Cain back from > the dead, is a metaphor for making trouble and > dissent. There was not really trouble and dissent upon the discussion over the Mediator idea. There were things to discuss and fix. I think that in the whole subject, those who have brought the more dissent are not the ones so labelled. I also think that provoking dissent over a person is just a nice way to shut down a discussion over an idea. > > Louis, you are heavy and you have an > interpretation of > > other people words I do not agree with. Believe in > > good faith > > Sorry to be anything other than a source of light > for you, Anthere. Believe me, I would prefer that everybody around here is a source of light for me. I > know there was some value in what User:Mediator was > doing, but I found > hir words to lack sincerity in a number of places, > the "simple English" > recommendation being only one of them. After all, > it takes greater > skill with langauge to limit vocabulary than it does > to write in flowery > metaphorical prose. I would like to add that I am perhaps better placed to have understood the suggestion made than english speakers. I did not read it as criticism. It was my understanding non-english speakers were welcome to the simple wikipedia. If not, I would like Angela to confirm it, so we can change the rules of the simple accordingly. And I truly believe that the > only goal of > User:Mediator was to disrupt. You are entitled your opinion > I did read through the entirety of your contribution > at > User_talk:Mediator. There is much value in what you > say about conflict > resolution generally, and I hope your ideas will > work their way into > whatever mechanism does indeed come about. Yup. Let's hope someone has the courage to do so in spite of the weight that these ideas carry now. In the current case, I don't think mediation was a great success :-) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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user names
by Daniel Mayer 14 Oct '03

14 Oct '03

Martin wrote: >It's good that people volunteer to work on Wikipedia. >We're grateful for their hard work. But with that work >comes responsibility. We ask that contributors check >their facts and take some pride in their work. We ask >that they collaborate with others. We ask that they >behave civilly and with respect. Asking that they use >an appropriate username is an extension of that, and >not wildly unreasonable. Wow, Martin - you just nailed it. --mav

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Louis Kyu Won Ryu
by Anthere 14 Oct '03

14 Oct '03

From: Louis Kyu Won Ryu <lazolla(a)hotmail.com> >24 can't make more than a dozen contributions without >resisting his >various demons, even when he's trying to play the >"moderate voice." Given that Louis started contributing just 11 days ago, it is quite astonishing he knows 24 so well. >I was quite sure of my conclusions, and raised the >issue first at User_talk:Mediator, where he had an >opprotunity to refute it, which he did not. Louis is a troll. Since he appeared on wikipedia, he had done little else than making noise on RK, Jesus is Lord ! and now 24. He shows obvious knowledge of the system which is not normal for a new user. >Beyond that, there was little I could do to check my >facts, since I don't have access to the server logs. >What more do you believe I should have done before >raising the allegation here? Thank god you don't ! We would not give log access to trolls ! Now that you did your deed, could you go away please ? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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logo madness
by Steven G. Johnson 14 Oct '03

14 Oct '03

What was the point of having the whole logo contest and vote and ratification of the colored logo if you don't stick with the vote results? Are you going to change the logo every few days? (I suppose that would be in the wiki spirit, but it seems a bit silly.) In that case, just make the logo world-editable and we'll all have a traditional edit war over it. And who decides when the logo gets changed, since apparently the vote didn't matter? You've even removed the logo-feedback link from the main page, so one has to hunt around on google to find it now. Cordially, Steven G. Johnson [User:Stevenj]

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User:Non-liberals are stupid
by Daniel Mayer 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

>This was the discussion before blocking the name: >"OK, this user name is just trolling. Ban it immediately. >--mav 23:37, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC) > >done. FearÉIREANN 23:43, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC) " Don't forget: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Liberal/deny_freedom_of_speech Where a majority of people voting to ban user:Liberal. 'User:Non-liberals are stupid' is, of course, much worse. --mav

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user:mediator blocked
by Daniel Mayer 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

Angela wrote: >Welcome back to the cabal [MyRedDice]. :) One of us! One of us!! --mav

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user:mediator blocked
by Martin Harper 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

Jimbo wrote: > Sure, but I consider this proven now. I blocked user:mediator. I guess this means I'm back to making full use of my sysop powers. Now I feel all unclean. If anyone wants to send me some soap, my mailing address is on my user page. -Martin "MyRedDice" Harper

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RE: [WikiEN-l] EofT/142.177.etc/24 back as User:Mediator
by Poor, Edmund W 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

> Ray Saintonge wrote: > > Louis Kyu Won Ryu wrote: > > > > >Our favorite troll is raising Cain as User:Mediator. > > > > An unproven allegation. > > Well, it's been proven now, with clear evidence from the access_logs. > > > You have the burden of proof backward. It's up to the person making > > the accusation to prove that he is. Innocent until proven guilty. > > Sure, but I consider this proven now. > > --Jimbo Wow, that's quick work. I only cross-posted your request-for-confirmation to wikitech-l 45 minutes ago. Ed Poor

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