Toby, I'm returning your apology unused. I was "thinking" of someone
else! (rhymes with potato, kind of) ;-)
But thanks for thinking of me...
On second thought, I accept you apology and will apply it to any
*future* misunderstandings!!
Uncle Ed
I wish people would stop putting words in my mouth. The last batch of
words was dusty, and this batch was sour. I'm running out of Listerine
:-)
If anyone (a) isn't sure what I mean, and (b) needs to be sure, why not
ask me? I l-o-v-e repeating myself, amplifying my meaning, waxing
prosaic, etc.
Half the time I'm not even sure what I myself am thinking. Is there
anyone so good at reading minds that they can discern what another
person is thinking? Over the Internet? Get real.
Signed, Uncle Ed (I think)
Steve,
If I thought asking one or both of the parties in the "case in point" to
stop editing the "page in question" would help, I would do so. They
MIGHT listen to me, but they might tell me to bugger off, too :-(
Of course if I had the Authority as Sheriff to handcuff users...
Which reminds me: according to my church's theology, God is Almighty and
also has the "right" to intervene in human affairs. I wonder why He
doesn't swoop down and settle the Middle East crisis, abolish poverty
and disease, and (while he's at it) fix the goldarn WikiLag problem?
(*^*)
Getting back to the point: I have just now started editing "the
article", so by the customs of our strange little tribe, I have just
forfeited certain rights...
Mysteriously,
Ed Poor
Louis:
> Most Wikipedians are more interested in being right
> than being facilitative, and [snip]
That's not true! I would never ...
Oops (blush) I think I just proved your point. Oh, you
are subtle, grandfather :-)
Uncle Ed
Richard Grevers wrote:
>And in some countries High-speed internet is charged
>for by data volume transferred. There is no way I'd be
>downloading any ISO images on an account with 1GB/month
>"free" and the rest at $0.2 ber MB.
Eh gads! 1 GB/month? That is so draconian. I do that easily in a week and
periodically in a single day when I'm updating my system. And that is just
/my/ computer; my partner and our roomate use even more bandwidth with online
games and downloading media files (and they are both Windows users so they
also have to update /way/ more often). We are only limited by speed; at any
one moment we are only able to share a single 1.5 MB/s DSL connection.
America is grand!
But the beauty of even having such a restricted pipeline as you do, is that
only one person in your community needs to download the ISO; then many, many
copies can be made of that single file. Then the updates can trickle-in
easily under your 1 GB limit.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
Charles,
I'm not banning William:
* I have no authority to do so.
* I have no reason to do so.
* I have no desire to do so.
* I have promised NOT to do so.
What more can I do to reassure you?
Ed Poor
I wrote in small part:
>[This is being posted to the mailing list only once! Wow!!!]
Unfortunately not to the /correct/ mailing list, damn it!
(Mad at myself.)
-- Toby
You are right as usual, grandfather Louis. Which is why most of the time
I myself bow out of conflicts.
Sometimes I wait a few weeks or months until the other party loses
interest or moves on. I don't know if this is "fair" or not, but since
I'm always trying to be neutral I'm not going to kick myself too hard
for biding my time like this.
Sometimes I nibble away at the conflict slowly, as I'm doing with
articles relating to my church. Someone anonymous user "messed up" the
[[Moonies]] and [[Sun Myung Moon]] pages. Instead of reverting their
changes wholesale, I decided to correct just a few points each week.
The only case I'm going head-to-head on, is the field of climate change:
global warming and ozone depletion. That's because I think I know enough
about science and statistics to detect a flimflam campaign going on, and
I see no reason to roll over and play dead here. I'm trying to maintain
cordial relations with the chief proponent of the "wrong" POV, Dr.
William Connolley. Because he's a practicing scientist and I'm just an
amateur. In some ways, I feel we're making progress toward neutrality --
without sacrificing geniality.
Oh, one more thing: just in case anyone imagines I might suddenly block
a user who disagrees with me on global warming; rest assured, I won't be
doing this. Jimbo specifically asked me not to, and that's reason
enough. (Sunir Shah at MeatballWiki, and The Cunctator here, also have
excellent arguments which I'm still in the process of digesting).
Ed Poor
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Jake Nelson wrote:
> Andre Engels wrote:
> > Yes, just put it back on the page. What about the basic question of
> whether
> > Wikipedia should be NPOV, and how we do that? Maybe we should finally stop
> > circumventing that question and actually discuss it. Would be useful, I'd
> > say.
>
> ... what? NPOV is the one absolute of Wikipedia. Now, we sometimes disagree
> about what approach is most neutral (there's a tendency these days towards
> No Point of View, which is quite different), but NPOV is the keystone of
> everything here.
Sorry. I intended to put some irony in my remark, which apparently was not
understood completely.
What I meant was that JT and Eloquence both are convinced that they are
working for NPOV - and yet do exactly the opposite. To me, the question
is not in the first place what to do with the MT article. To me, the question
is in the first place is what to do with NPOV. Or rather, how to define
NPOV, and which NPOV to use.
It's a difficult subject, but also one that needs to be addressed, in my
opinion.
Andre Engels
I have made a peace offer to James on [[User talk:Jtdirl]]. I publicly
apologize for calling James a bully, that was not justified by his recent
actions, as what I perceived as bully-like behavior seems to be more of a
personal conflict between the two of us over several different matters,
whereas both of us get along fine with other users. I guess that's what
happens when large egos collide ;-)
I will not bring up the idea of initiating a ban procedure again provided
there will be no further personal attacks on either part. I have also made
a suggestion for cooperating on the [[Mother Teresa]] article.
I hope this will cool down this flamewar somewhat.
Regards,
Erik