Maybe you could incorporate a link to the International codes for languages and expand the language code to the full name?
Carol
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I think the order of languages is only important for articles with lots of interwiki links, but for the vast majority of articles there will be less than 5 or so and it doesn't matter. I often click on article interwikis for languages I don't know and can't read (like Japanese). I do this for several reasons, the most prevalent being that I want to see 1) How many links to that page are there in that language? 2) How many items (and which items are these) that are in the articles category in that language?
I tend to only do this for the larger Wikipedia projects, where I do this regularly as a trick to track down articles in foreign languages that are good candidates to translate into English (the fathers/sons/siblings of painters). Jane
2013/1/8 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
On 08/01/13 22:31, LD 100 wrote:
I would preferred if this could also be changed by each users individually in the settings (maybe the settings could be set globally)
Although preferences are evil, I see the point for customizing this. Having ar: in the top if I have no idea of that language is useless, I would prefer to sort first those languages I could understand, perhaps with a separator from those I definetely don't know (others might want to completely hide those).
On 08/01/13 22:41, Meng Lu wrote:
It's an interesting point. I personally would prefer seeing the Wikipedia instance's own language and English stay at the top, followed by the rest in alphabetical order. A longer stretch might be providing alternative ordering methods for languages such as alphabetical order, descending sizes of that page in each Wikipedia instance.
Article sizes are not a perfect estimator for article quality, but seems decent enough. However, it should be able to be overriden by marks of Featured-article / Good-article when some of the entries are tagged as such. Con: Any edit potentially means purgin the entries for all interwikis. Although if the interwiki sort order is stored in wikidata, and we perhaps aren't actively purgin the squid entries, that shouldn't be a problem.
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Hoi, Expanding to the full name of a language .... eh, do I speak Dutch, Niederlandisch or Nederlands ? And when I speak all those languages, how do I get all the different names for the language that I recognise as my mother tongue ? Thanks, Gerard
On 10 January 2013 13:06, Carol.Bream@ec.europa.eu wrote:
Maybe you could incorporate a link to the International codes for languages and expand the language code to the full name?
Carol
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I think the order of languages is only important for articles with lots of interwiki links, but for the vast majority of articles there will be less than 5 or so and it doesn't matter. I often click on article interwikis for languages I don't know and can't read (like Japanese). I do this for several reasons, the most prevalent being that I want to see
- How many links to that page are there in that language?
- How many items (and which items are these) that are in the articles
category in that language?
I tend to only do this for the larger Wikipedia projects, where I do this regularly as a trick to track down articles in foreign languages that are good candidates to translate into English (the fathers/sons/siblings of painters). Jane
2013/1/8 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
On 08/01/13 22:31, LD 100 wrote:
I would preferred if this could also be changed by each users individually in the settings (maybe the settings could be set globally)
Although preferences are evil, I see the point for customizing this. Having ar: in the top if I have no idea of that language is useless, I would prefer to sort first those languages I could understand, perhaps with a separator from those I definetely don't know (others might want to completely hide those).
On 08/01/13 22:41, Meng Lu wrote:
It's an interesting point. I personally would prefer seeing the Wikipedia instance's own language and English stay at the top, followed by the rest in alphabetical order. A longer stretch might be providing alternative ordering methods for languages such as alphabetical order, descending sizes of that page in each Wikipedia instance.
Article sizes are not a perfect estimator for article quality, but seems decent enough. However, it should be able to be overriden by marks of Featured-article / Good-article when some of the entries are tagged as such. Con: Any edit potentially means purgin the entries for all interwikis. Although if the interwiki sort order is stored in wikidata, and we perhaps aren't actively purgin the squid entries, that shouldn't be a problem.
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Is there a way to make the names of languages appear in the language of the wiki on which they are displayed? For example, the language links now are in whatever that language is called in that specific language, but in the future, would it be possible, say, on the English Wikipedia to have all language links say the name of the language in English, and on the Hungarian page they would all be in Hungarian, etc?
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Hoi, Expanding to the full name of a language .... eh, do I speak Dutch, Niederlandisch or Nederlands ? And when I speak all those languages, how do I get all the different names for the language that I recognise as my mother tongue ? Thanks, Gerard
On 10 January 2013 13:06, Carol.Bream@ec.europa.eu wrote:
Maybe you could incorporate a link to the International codes for languages and expand the language code to the full name?
Carol
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I think the order of languages is only important for articles with lots of interwiki links, but for the vast majority of articles there will be less than 5 or so and it doesn't matter. I often click on article interwikis for languages I don't know and can't read (like Japanese). I do this for several reasons, the most prevalent being that I want to see
- How many links to that page are there in that language?
- How many items (and which items are these) that are in the articles
category in that language?
I tend to only do this for the larger Wikipedia projects, where I do this regularly as a trick to track down articles in foreign languages that are good candidates to translate into English (the fathers/sons/siblings of painters). Jane
2013/1/8 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
On 08/01/13 22:31, LD 100 wrote:
I would preferred if this could also be changed by each users individually in the settings (maybe the settings could be set globally)
Although preferences are evil, I see the point for customizing this. Having ar: in the top if I have no idea of that language is useless, I would prefer to sort first those languages I could understand, perhaps with a separator from those I definetely don't know (others might want to completely hide those).
On 08/01/13 22:41, Meng Lu wrote:
It's an interesting point. I personally would prefer seeing the Wikipedia instance's own language and English stay at the top,
followed
by the rest in alphabetical order. A longer stretch might be providing alternative ordering methods for languages such as alphabetical order, descending sizes of that page in each Wikipedia instance.
Article sizes are not a perfect estimator for article quality, but seems decent enough. However, it should be able to be overriden by marks of Featured-article / Good-article when some of the entries are tagged as such. Con: Any edit potentially means purgin the entries for all interwikis. Although if the interwiki sort order is stored in wikidata, and we perhaps aren't actively purgin the squid entries, that shouldn't be a problem.
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On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Nicholas Michael Bashour nicholasbashour@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a way to make the names of languages appear in the language of the wiki on which they are displayed? For example, the language links now are in whatever that language is called in that specific language, but in the future, would it be possible, say, on the English Wikipedia to have all language links say the name of the language in English, and on the Hungarian page they would all be in Hungarian, etc?
I'm not sure what the answer to your question is, but note that it would be better to have this controlled by the user language, not the content language. So if I'm on the Hungarian Wikipedia, but my interface is language is set to English, they should display in English. Since the default interface language would match the content language, anonymous users and those who haven't changed their settings would still see it in Hungarian.
However, I'm not sure if using the exonyms by default ("translated" language name) is better than the endonyms (what the language is called in its own language). Imagine you somehow got linked to the Japanese article for what you're looking for, but you only speak English -- would you know which language on the long interwiki list is English? Like what Gerard said, would you know if you wanted to click on 英語, フランス語, スペイン語, or 中国語?
Preferences are evil, but this is probably something we'd want to make a user-controlled option with the default display being the endonym.
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2013/1/10 Nicholas Michael Bashour nicholasbashour@gmail.com:
Is there a way to make the names of languages appear in the language of the wiki on which they are displayed? For example, the language links now are in whatever that language is called in that specific language, but in the future, would it be possible, say, on the English Wikipedia to have all language links say the name of the language in English, and on the Hungarian page they would all be in Hungarian, etc?
There's a gadget that does it in the Portuguese Wikipedia. You could check how many people actually use it; I suspect that not many.
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Please, no. , if, say, a Japanese reader lands on a page on the Hungarian Wikipedia, they need to see a link in Japanese. The Hungarian name for their language may mean nothing to them. On Jan 10, 2013 2:19 PM, "Nicholas Michael Bashour" < nicholasbashour@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there a way to make the names of languages appear in the language of the wiki on which they are displayed? For example, the language links now are in whatever that language is called in that specific language, but in the future, would it be possible, say, on the English Wikipedia to have all language links say the name of the language in English, and on the Hungarian page they would all be in Hungarian, etc?
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2013/1/10 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
Hoi, Expanding to the full name of a language .... eh, do I speak Dutch, Niederlandisch or Nederlands ? And when I speak all those languages, how do I get all the different names for the language that I recognise as my mother tongue ? Thanks, Gerard
On 10 January 2013 13:06, Carol.Bream@ec.europa.eu wrote:
Maybe you could incorporate a link to the International codes for languages and expand the language code to the full name?
Carol
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I think the order of languages is only important for articles with lots of interwiki links, but for the vast majority of articles there will be less than 5 or so and it doesn't matter. I often click on article interwikis for languages I don't know and can't read (like Japanese). I do this for several reasons, the most prevalent being that I want to see
- How many links to that page are there in that language?
- How many items (and which items are these) that are in the articles
category in that language?
I tend to only do this for the larger Wikipedia projects, where I do this regularly as a trick to track down articles in foreign languages that are good candidates to translate into English (the fathers/sons/siblings of painters). Jane
2013/1/8 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
On 08/01/13 22:31, LD 100 wrote:
I would preferred if this could also be changed by each users individually in the settings (maybe the settings could be set globally)
Although preferences are evil, I see the point for customizing this. Having ar: in the top if I have no idea of that language is useless, I would prefer to sort first those languages I could understand, perhaps with a separator from those I definetely don't know (others might want to completely hide those).
On 08/01/13 22:41, Meng Lu wrote:
It's an interesting point. I personally would prefer seeing the Wikipedia instance's own language and English stay at the top,
followed
by the rest in alphabetical order. A longer stretch might be providing alternative ordering methods for languages such as alphabetical order, descending sizes of that page in each Wikipedia instance.
Article sizes are not a perfect estimator for article quality, but
seems
decent enough. However, it should be able to be overriden by marks of Featured-article / Good-article when some of the entries are tagged as such. Con: Any edit potentially means purgin the entries for all interwikis. Although if the interwiki sort order is stored in wikidata, and we perhaps aren't actively purgin the squid entries, that shouldn't be a problem.
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Agree with Andy Mabbett 100%.
If someone can't recognize the name of a language in that language, they're not going to understand the article anyways.This would be a change that does more harm than good, in my opinion.
Sven
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Andy Mabbett pigsotwing@gmail.com wrote:
Please, no. , if, say, a Japanese reader lands on a page on the Hungarian Wikipedia, they need to see a link in Japanese. The Hungarian name for their language may mean nothing to them. On Jan 10, 2013 2:19 PM, "Nicholas Michael Bashour" < nicholasbashour@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there a way to make the names of languages appear in the language of the wiki on which they are displayed? For example, the language links now are in whatever that language is called in that specific language, but in the future, would it be possible, say, on the English Wikipedia to have all language links say the name of the language in English, and on the Hungarian page they would all be in Hungarian, etc?
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2013/1/10 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
Hoi, Expanding to the full name of a language .... eh, do I speak Dutch, Niederlandisch or Nederlands ? And when I speak all those languages, how do I get all the different names for the language that I recognise as my mother tongue ? Thanks, Gerard
On 10 January 2013 13:06, Carol.Bream@ec.europa.eu wrote:
Maybe you could incorporate a link to the International codes for languages and expand the language code to the full name?
Carol
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I think the order of languages is only important for articles with lots of interwiki links, but for the vast majority of articles there will be less than 5 or so and it doesn't matter. I often click on article interwikis for languages I don't know and can't read (like Japanese). I do this for several reasons, the most prevalent being that I want to see
- How many links to that page are there in that language?
- How many items (and which items are these) that are in the articles
category in that language?
I tend to only do this for the larger Wikipedia projects, where I do this regularly as a trick to track down articles in foreign languages that are good candidates to translate into English (the fathers/sons/siblings of painters). Jane
2013/1/8 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
On 08/01/13 22:31, LD 100 wrote:
I would preferred if this could also be changed by each users individually in the settings (maybe the settings could be set globally)
Although preferences are evil, I see the point for customizing this. Having ar: in the top if I have no idea of that language is useless, I would prefer to sort first those languages I could understand, perhaps with a separator from those I definetely don't know (others might want to completely hide those).
On 08/01/13 22:41, Meng Lu wrote:
It's an interesting point. I personally would prefer seeing the Wikipedia instance's own language and English stay at the top,
followed
by the rest in alphabetical order. A longer stretch might be providing alternative ordering methods for languages such as alphabetical order, descending sizes of that page in each Wikipedia instance.
Article sizes are not a perfect estimator for article quality, but
seems
decent enough. However, it should be able to be overriden by marks of Featured-article / Good-article when some of the entries are tagged as such. Con: Any edit potentially means purgin the entries for all interwikis. Although if the interwiki sort order is stored in wikidata, and we perhaps aren't actively purgin the squid entries, that shouldn't be a problem.
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