Heya folks :)
We've just deployed new code to wikidata.org. We fixed a few bugs, most notably: * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45244 - Shows statements from "oldid" version, not "diff" version * Fixed a number of issues in translatable messages that made it hard to translate them
In addition to that there is also shiny new stuff: * Bene* wrote a new special page to set language links without JavaScript enabled (Special:SetSiteLink) * Made first version of the geocoordinates datatype available \o/ This means that you will be able to enter the coordinates of a city for example as soon as someone created the necessary property for it. (There are a few waiting on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal.) It's still a bit wonky so please do let me know about any issues you find. We're already aware of: ** https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49385 - cardinal directions in geocoordinate datatype are not localized ** https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49386 - apostrophe issue in geocoordinate UI ** https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49387 - property parser function needs to support geocoordinate datatype
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Hey, the question is now how we can merge coordinates from all languages to Wikidata. I would propose to use the coordinate from the longest article to have a good chance for using the most accurate one. Thats the way I use in Wikipedia-World[1]. After an update we could also use this database for an import.
Other solution could be a map where we show all coordinates of one article on a map and the user can select, but this would make a lot of work for 1.5 Mio coordinates.
Worst case would be that everyone use a bot and we would have a great bot-war.
Greetings Tim alias Kolossos
[1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Georeferenzierung/Wikiped...
Am 10.06.2013 20:50, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:
Heya folks :)
- Made first version of the geocoordinates datatype available \o/
This means that you will be able to enter the coordinates of a city for example as soon as someone created the necessary property for it. (There are a few waiting on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal.) It's still a bit wonky so please do let me know about any issues you find. We're already aware of: ** https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49385 - cardinal directions in geocoordinate datatype are not localized ** https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49386 - apostrophe issue in geocoordinate UI ** https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49387 - property parser function needs to support geocoordinate datatype
Haven't tried any of this, but how about most precise coordinate wins, and for multiple top-precision ones, take the median (to remove the effect of outliers)? Alert human if standard deviation is more than, say, 100m.
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Kolossos tim.alder@s2002.tu-chemnitz.dewrote:
Hey, the question is now how we can merge coordinates from all languages to Wikidata. I would propose to use the coordinate from the longest article to have a good chance for using the most accurate one. Thats the way I use in Wikipedia-World[1]. After an update we could also use this database for an import.
Other solution could be a map where we show all coordinates of one article on a map and the user can select, but this would make a lot of work for 1.5 Mio coordinates.
Worst case would be that everyone use a bot and we would have a great bot-war.
Greetings Tim alias Kolossos
[1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_** Georeferenzierung/Wikipedia-**World/enhttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Georeferenzierung/Wikipedia-World/en
Am 10.06.2013 20:50, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:
Heya folks :)
- Made first version of the geocoordinates datatype available \o/
This means that you will be able to enter the coordinates of a city for example as soon as someone created the necessary property for it. (There are a few waiting on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Wikidata:Property_proposalhttp://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal.) It's still a bit wonky so please do let me know about any issues you find. We're already aware of: ** https://bugzilla.wikimedia.**org/show_bug.cgi?id=49385https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49385- cardinal directions in geocoordinate datatype are not localized ** https://bugzilla.wikimedia.**org/show_bug.cgi?id=49386https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49386- apostrophe issue in geocoordinate UI ** https://bugzilla.wikimedia.**org/show_bug.cgi?id=49387https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49387- property parser function needs to support geocoordinate datatype
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2013/6/12 Kolossos tim.alder@s2002.tu-chemnitz.de:
Hey, the question is now how we can merge coordinates from all languages to Wikidata. I would propose to use the coordinate from the longest article to have a good chance for using the most accurate one. Thats the way I use in Wikipedia-World[1]. After an update we could also use this database for an import.
Worst case would be that everyone use a bot and we would have a great bot-war.
I think it should be possible to just import them as data with different sources. If a coordinate pair is the same over multiple Wikipedia then you have more sources, see for example the property occupation:politician here[1]
Ciao,
Cristian
I've been doing some manual importing, and have found that in the vast majority of cases, when different languages' Wikipedias have different coordinates for a location, the coordinates that are most accurate are the ones in the language that is spoken where the location is. For example, some of the first locations to have their coordinates brought over to Wikidata were some train stations in the Netherlands. The Dutch and English Wikipedias' coordinates differed, and the Dutch coordinates were right every time. One English Wikipedia coordinate was even for the next station down the line, over an arcminute away.
Therefore I think that we should coordinates for locations in Germany from dewiki, locations in Spain from eswiki, locations in the Netherlands from nlwiki, etc.
Sven
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Cristian Consonni kikkocristian@gmail.comwrote:
2013/6/12 Kolossos tim.alder@s2002.tu-chemnitz.de:
Hey, the question is now how we can merge coordinates from all languages to Wikidata. I would propose to use the coordinate from the longest article
to
have a good chance for using the most accurate one. Thats the way I use
in
Wikipedia-World[1]. After an update we could also use this database for
an
import.
Worst case would be that everyone use a bot and we would have a great bot-war.
I think it should be possible to just import them as data with different sources. If a coordinate pair is the same over multiple Wikipedia then you have more sources, see for example the property occupation:politician here[1]
Ciao,
Cristian
[1] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76
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This is really great!
How does Wikidata's approach compare with geocoordinates used by, for example, Google's approach to mapping and navigation?
Scott
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Sven Manguard svenmanguard@gmail.comwrote:
I've been doing some manual importing, and have found that in the vast majority of cases, when different languages' Wikipedias have different coordinates for a location, the coordinates that are most accurate are the ones in the language that is spoken where the location is. For example, some of the first locations to have their coordinates brought over to Wikidata were some train stations in the Netherlands. The Dutch and English Wikipedias' coordinates differed, and the Dutch coordinates were right every time. One English Wikipedia coordinate was even for the next station down the line, over an arcminute away.
Therefore I think that we should coordinates for locations in Germany from dewiki, locations in Spain from eswiki, locations in the Netherlands from nlwiki, etc.
Sven
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Cristian Consonni < kikkocristian@gmail.com> wrote:
2013/6/12 Kolossos tim.alder@s2002.tu-chemnitz.de:
Hey, the question is now how we can merge coordinates from all languages to Wikidata. I would propose to use the coordinate from the longest
article to
have a good chance for using the most accurate one. Thats the way I use
in
Wikipedia-World[1]. After an update we could also use this database for
an
import.
Worst case would be that everyone use a bot and we would have a great bot-war.
I think it should be possible to just import them as data with different sources. If a coordinate pair is the same over multiple Wikipedia then you have more sources, see for example the property occupation:politician here[1]
Ciao,
Cristian
[1] http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76
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On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Scott MacLeod worlduniversityandschool@gmail.com wrote:
This is really great!
How does Wikidata's approach compare with geocoordinates used by, for example, Google's approach to mapping and navigation?
It's probably best if you have a look at an item that already has a statement with coordinates: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1355
Cheers Lydia
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Other question, how can we integrate in WikiDATA our applications like Geohack and OSM-Gadget/WikiMiniAtlas?
Greetings Tim alias Kolossos
Am 13.06.2013 11:24, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Scott MacLeod worlduniversityandschool@gmail.com wrote:
This is really great!
How does Wikidata's approach compare with geocoordinates used by, for example, Google's approach to mapping and navigation?
It's probably best if you have a look at an item that already has a statement with coordinates: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1355
Cheers Lydia
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Hi Tim,
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Kolossos tim.alder@s2002.tu-chemnitz.de wrote:
Other question, how can we integrate in WikiDATA our applications like Geohack and OSM-Gadget/WikiMiniAtlas?
Without knowing all the technical details: It might work in a similar way as the little preview link/icon that you can see for example in the flag property on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q183 ? That is a gadget.
Cheers Lydia
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