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Thomas Francart

22 Jun 2020 22 Jun '20

1:21 p.m.

Hello (Please direct me somewhere else is this is not the place to ask.) I am developing a bot to synch ISSN data [1] using WDTK. Creating a label/alias with the language code 'mul' (to indicate a multilingual value), or 'mis' (to indicate the language is unknown) does not work and returns an Exception from the wikimedia API ("[not-recognized-language] The supplied language code was not recognized"). These 2 codes are however documented at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Monolingual_text_languages and listed at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Wikimedia_language_codes/lists/all I also cannot use these 2 codes when editing through the human interface. I do however find items in Wikidata with 'mul' language codes. Am I doing something wrong, did I misunderstand something, or is there a true problem with these codes ? Also opened ticket in WDTK issue tracker : https://github.com/Wikidata/Wikidata-Toolkit/issues/509 Thanks Thomas [1] : ISSN Bot : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Periodicals#Data_do… -- *Thomas Francart* -* SPARNA* Web de *données* | Architecture de l'*information* | Accès aux *connaissances* blog : blog.sparna.fr, site : sparna.fr, linkedin : fr.linkedin.com/in/thomasfrancart tel : +33 (0)6.71.11.25.97, skype : francartthomas

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Federico Leva (Nemo)

22 Jun 22 Jun

1:33 p.m.

Thomas Francart, 22/06/20 16:21:

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I also cannot use these 2 codes when editing through the human interface.

Language code validation on Wikidata is sometimes confusing. See also: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T39459 Why "mis" instead of "und"? See also https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230833#6103004 Federico

Thomas Francart

1:52 p.m.

Hello Le lun. 22 juin 2020 à 15:33, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> a écrit :

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Thomas Francart, 22/06/20 16:21:

I also cannot use these 2 codes when editing through the human interface.

Language code validation on Wikidata is sometimes confusing. See also: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T39459

Thanks, I read the page but am not sure to understand how it relates to the original question. Can you decode ? Does it explain why creating labels/aliases with code 'mul' or 'mis' fails using the API ?

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Why "mis" instead of "und"? See also https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230833#6103004

Sorry, I wrote "when the language value is unknown", but this was not precise : the original data we want to synch already contains data using code "mis" (as a valid ISO639-2 iso code, see https://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php), and as I read it was supported by Wikidata, I attempted to use that code directly through the API, with no luck. Similarly, original data uses code 'mul' (also a valid ISO639-2 code). Thomas

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Mbch331

4:17 p.m.

Monolingual codes aren't available for labels/aliases, only for properties of the type monolingual text. Mbch331 Op 22-6-2020 om 15:52 schreef Thomas Francart:

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Hello Le lun. 22 juin 2020 à 15:33, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com <mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com>> a écrit : Thomas Francart, 22/06/20 16:21:

I also cannot use these 2 codes when editing through the human

interface. Language code validation on Wikidata is sometimes confusing. See also: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T39459 Thanks, I read the page but am not sure to understand how it relates to the original question. Can you decode ? Does it explain why creating labels/aliases with code 'mul' or 'mis' fails using the API ? Why "mis" instead of "und"? See also https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230833#6103004 Sorry, I wrote "when the language value is unknown", but this was not precise : the original data we want to synch already contains data using code "mis" (as a valid ISO639-2 iso code, see https://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php), and as I read it was supported by Wikidata, I attempted to use that code directly through the API, with no luck. Similarly, original data uses code 'mul' (also a valid ISO639-2 code). Thomas Federico -- * * *Thomas Francart* -*SPARNA* Web de _données_ | Architecture de l'_information_ | Accès aux _connaissances_ blog : blog.sparna.fr <http://blog.sparna.fr>, site : sparna.fr <http://sparna.fr>, linkedin : fr.linkedin.com/in/thomasfrancart <https://fr.linkedin.com/in/thomasfrancart> tel : +33 (0)6.71.11.25.97, skype : francartthomas _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

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Thomas Francart

7:47 p.m.

Hello Le lun. 22 juin 2020 à 18:19, Mbch331 <mbch331.wikipedia(a)gmail.com> a écrit :

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Monolingual codes aren't available for labels/aliases, only for properties of the type monolingual text.

Indeed, thank youu. What confused me is that I cannot enter such a monolingual text value with language code "mul" or "mis" from the GUI, for a statement like "title". Thomas

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Mbch331 Op 22-6-2020 om 15:52 schreef Thomas Francart: Hello Le lun. 22 juin 2020 à 15:33, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> a écrit :

Thomas Francart, 22/06/20 16:21:

I also cannot use these 2 codes when editing through the human

interface. Language code validation on Wikidata is sometimes confusing. See also: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T39459

Why "mis" instead of "und"? See also https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230833#6103004

Federico

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Nicolas VIGNERON

8:27 p.m.

Hi, Yes, that's very confusing but there is a trick : the GUI doesn't propose nor "recognize" it but if you just press enter or click publish, it accepts it anyway... (same for other codes, at least "fro" and "frm" old and middle French), see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15397819#P1476 for instance. Cheers, ~nicolas Le lun. 22 juin 2020 à 21:48, Thomas Francart <thomas.francart(a)sparna.fr> a écrit :

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Hello Le lun. 22 juin 2020 à 18:19, Mbch331 <mbch331.wikipedia(a)gmail.com> a écrit :

Monolingual codes aren't available for labels/aliases, only for properties of the type monolingual text.

Indeed, thank youu. What confused me is that I cannot enter such a monolingual text value with language code "mul" or "mis" from the GUI, for a statement like "title". Thomas

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