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Jan Kučera

28 Jan 2013 28 Jan '13

9:16 a.m.

How is the Hungarian pilot running? When will you deploy Phase 1 to other wikis?

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Lydia Pintscher

28 Jan 28 Jan

10:42 a.m.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82(a)gmail.com> wrote:

How is the Hungarian pilot running? When will you deploy Phase 1 to other wikis?

Hi Jan, Things seem fine on the Hungarian Wikipedia except for a few hickups/bugs and missing things that are being worked on now. Maybe some of the people from the Hungrian Wikipedia who are on this list want to chime in as well. The planned date for the next deployment (on the Italian and Hebrew Wikipedias) is 30th of this month. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.

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Amir Ladsgroup

4:26 p.m.

What is exact time of the next deployment (it and he)? And what time you think is best to disable interwiki bots? On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Lydia Pintscher < lydia.pintscher(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82(a)gmail.com> wrote:

How is the Hungarian pilot running? When will you deploy Phase 1 to other wikis?

Hi Jan, Things seem fine on the Hungarian Wikipedia except for a few hickups/bugs and missing things that are being worked on now. Maybe some of the people from the Hungrian Wikipedia who are on this list want to chime in as well. The planned date for the next deployment (on the Italian and Hebrew Wikipedias) is 30th of this month. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

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Lydia Pintscher

4:32 p.m.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote:

What is exact time of the next deployment (it and he)?

We can't give a definite time unfortunately. Previous deployments were done in the late evening UTC. If everything goes as planned it'll be similar again.

And what time you think is best to disable interwiki bots?

That's really up to the individual community. You could do it at some point on Wednesday but you could also wait and do it a few days later (which would probably mean some of them will put links back that an editor removed already). Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.

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Bináris

29 Jan 29 Jan

6:51 a.m.

2013/1/28 Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com>

What is exact time of the next deployment (it and he)?

If you want to catch it, join #wikimedia-wikidata on IRC. It was great to follow it on D-day!

And what time you think is best to disable interwiki bots?

Xqt can modify the code, but pywiki is not deployed, it is updated by bot owners, so there is no chance to focus it on one hour. For this reason I would say to begin it after deployment of Wikibase as otherwise one should do it at least 1 or 2 days before which would cause a maintenance pause. Yes, people will try to remove iws and some of them will be put back by bots. -- Bináris

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Marco Fleckinger

8:12 a.m.

"Bináris" <wikiposta(a)gmail.com> schrieb:

2013/1/28 Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com>

What is exact time of the next deployment (it and he)?

If you want to catch it, join #wikimedia-wikidata on IRC. It was great to follow it on D-day!

And what time you think is best to disable interwiki bots?

Xqt can modify the code, but pywiki is not deployed, it is updated by bot owners, so there is no chance to focus it on one hour. For this reason I would say to begin it after deployment of Wikibase as otherwise one should do it at least 1 or 2 days before which would cause a maintenance pause. Yes, people will try to remove iws and some of them will be put back by bots.

Would it also make sense to write a bot putting the remaining iws to wikidata and rmoving them from the wiki if they can be replaced by them from wikidata? Marco

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Magnus Manske

9:02 a.m.

Why not just block the bots on wikis that use wikidata? On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Bináris <wikiposta(a)gmail.com> wrote:

2013/1/28 Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com>

What is exact time of the next deployment (it and he)?

If you want to catch it, join #wikimedia-wikidata on IRC. It was great to follow it on D-day!

And what time you think is best to disable interwiki bots?

Xqt can modify the code, but pywiki is not deployed, it is updated by bot owners, so there is no chance to focus it on one hour. For this reason I would say to begin it after deployment of Wikibase as otherwise one should do it at least 1 or 2 days before which would cause a maintenance pause. Yes, people will try to remove iws and some of them will be put back by bots. -- Bináris _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

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Nikola Smolenski

9:17 a.m.

On 29/01/13 10:02, Magnus Manske wrote:

Why not just block the bots on wikis that use wikidata?

Bots are used for much more than interwiki handling.

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Bináris <wikiposta(a)gmail.com <mailto:wikiposta@gmail.com>> wrote: 2013/1/28 Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com <mailto:ladsgroup@gmail.com>> What is exact time of the next deployment (it and he)? If you want to catch it, join #wikimedia-wikidata on IRC. It was great to follow it on D-day! And what time you think is best to disable interwiki bots? Xqt can modify the code, but pywiki is not deployed, it is updated by bot owners, so there is no chance to focus it on one hour. For this reason I would say to begin it after deployment of Wikibase as otherwise one should do it at least 1 or 2 days before which would cause a maintenance pause. Yes, people will try to remove iws and some of them will be put back by bots.

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Magnus Manske

9:28 a.m.

So are the same bots doing different things? I seem to remember there was one giant toolserver pybot instance doing only interwiki. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Nikola Smolenski <smolensk(a)eunet.rs> wrote:

On 29/01/13 10:02, Magnus Manske wrote:

Why not just block the bots on wikis that use wikidata?

Bots are used for much more than interwiki handling. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Bináris <wikiposta(a)gmail.com

<mailto:wikiposta@gmail.com>> wrote: 2013/1/28 Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com <mailto:ladsgroup@gmail.com>> What is exact time of the next deployment (it and he)? If you want to catch it, join #wikimedia-wikidata on IRC. It was great to follow it on D-day! And what time you think is best to disable interwiki bots? Xqt can modify the code, but pywiki is not deployed, it is updated by bot owners, so there is no chance to focus it on one hour. For this reason I would say to begin it after deployment of Wikibase as otherwise one should do it at least 1 or 2 days before which would cause a maintenance pause. Yes, people will try to remove iws and some of them will be put back by bots.

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Nikola Smolenski

9:36 a.m.

On 29/01/13 10:28, Magnus Manske wrote:

So are the same bots doing different things? I seem to remember there was one giant toolserver pybot instance doing only interwiki.

OTOH, yes, I believe there are bots doing only interwikis that could probably be blocked. But isn't anyone from Hungarian Wikipedia here to tell us how the test is going and what the community wants to do now?

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Marco Fleckinger

9:41 a.m.

AFAIK there are many iw-bots and several others. I don't think that there are iw-bots doing anything else as well. It would not be very useful now. But acually I don't know it. If yes, blocking those specific ones might be a good idea. Marco Magnus Manske <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com> schrieb:

So are the same bots doing different things? I seem to remember there was one giant toolserver pybot instance doing only interwiki. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Nikola Smolenski <smolensk(a)eunet.rs

wrote:

On 29/01/13 10:02, Magnus Manske wrote:

Why not just block the bots on wikis that use wikidata?

Bots are used for much more than interwiki handling. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Bináris <wikiposta(a)gmail.com > <mailto:wikiposta@gmail.com>> wrote:

> 2013/1/28 Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com > <mailto:ladsgroup@gmail.com>

> What is exact time of the next deployment (it and he)?

> If you want to catch it, join #wikimedia-wikidata on IRC. It was > great to follow it on D-day!

> And what time you think is best to disable interwiki bots?

> Xqt can modify the code, but pywiki is not deployed, it is

updated

> by bot owners, so there is no chance to focus it on one hour.

For

> this reason I would say to begin it after deployment of Wikibase

as

> otherwise one should do it at least 1 or 2 days before which

would

> cause a maintenance pause. Yes, people will try to remove iws

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some of them will be put back by bots.

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Amir Ladsgroup
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