On 4/8/12 9:25 PM, JFC Morfin wrote:
Is there an objection to the concept of, or cooperation with, "datawiki" Wikidata compatible projects? I would define a "datawiki" (as there are databases) as a JSON oriented NoSQL DBMS using an enhanced wiki as a human user I/O interface.
Why are you turning a the term "DataWiki" into something so narrow?
A DataWiki is simply the application of Wiki concepts to Data re. Create, Update, and Delete operation.
There are quite a number of DataWiki that have been in existence in the Linked Data realm long before Wikidata. It just so happens that Wikidata is potentially another fine example of the DataWiki concept at Web scale.
This would permit BigData, specialized data, and graph sources to feed Wikidata along their own data philosophy and collection/update policy.
It doesn't need to permit anything re. BigData. Eventually, folks will understand that BigData agility is inextricably linked to the concept of DataWikis.
I suppose that the main point would be an inter-datawiki interchange protocol (RFC?) matching the datawiki authoritative operators' (the first of them being Wikidata) requirements.
No, you already have HTTP, REST patterns, SPARQL Protocol for Updates, Inserts, and Deletions, SPARQL Graph Update Protocol etc..
I would permit projects at different stages of R&D or with different main purposes in order to cooperate with Wikidata.
The Web isn't about permissions, it is really about the ability to "just do it!" .
:-)
Links:
1. http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/tab/tutorial/editing.mov -- a 2007 DataWiki screencast by TimBL
jfc
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Dear Kinsely,
It seems we all say roughly the same thing from differents points of view or even data cultures - our objective being not to make our personal culture prevail but to be able to converge in feeding wikidata with reliable, IP protected, referential data.
At 14:55 09/04/2012, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
On 4/8/12 9:25 PM, JFC Morfin wrote:
Is there an objection to the concept of, or cooperation with, "datawiki" Wikidata compatible projects? I would define a "datawiki" (as there are databases) as a JSON oriented NoSQL DBMS using an enhanced wiki as a human user I/O interface.
Why are you turning a the term "DataWiki" into something so narrow? A DataWiki is simply the application of Wiki concepts to Data re. Create, Update, and Delete operation. There are quite a number of DataWiki that have been in existence in the Linked Data realm long before Wikidata. It just so happens that Wikidata is potentially another fine example of the DataWiki concept at Web scale.
I read and I certainly understand what you say, "at web scale" and "at data level".
1 - I see that we "will just do not do" in a single project all the things people (including me) are interested in (cf. Denny's position regarding my own needs). 2 - I certainly want to stay interoperable at data level, but I think "at netwok scale" and I do not wish to give networking architectural responsibilities to user applications.
This is why I try to find an architectural minimum where we could converge, and also address the authorititative operational issues in a sustainable manner.
Best jfc