I have noticed that some records in Wikidata are using a site trismegistos.org to establish birth dates. This is giving some odd results!
An instance is here
https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q55088584
date of birth 1999 1 reference reference URL http://www.trismegistos.org/editor/7726 named as Jill Harries retrieved 9 October 2017
Is it possible to change this behavior?
[apologies if I am using lax terminology, or if this is not the best place to ask]
For those of us not familiar with trismegistos.org, could you tell us what is wrong with using it as a source?
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 12:37 PM Andrew Black andrewdblack@googlemail.com wrote:
I have noticed that some records in Wikidata are using a site trismegistos.org to establish birth dates. This is giving some odd results!
An instance is here
https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q55088584
date of birth 1999 1 reference reference URL http://www.trismegistos.org/editor/7726 named as Jill Harries retrieved 9 October 2017
Is it possible to change this behavior?
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Since she’s professor emerita and got her PhD in 1981 it does seem a little odd that she would be born in 1999….
Merrilee Proffitt
Senior Manager, OCLC Research Library Partnership
From: Wikidata wikidata-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org On Behalf Of Robert Fernandez Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 11:10 AM To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [External] Re: [Wikidata] Birth dates in Wikidata
For those of us not familiar with trismegistos.orghttp://trismegistos.org/, could you tell us what is wrong with using it as a source?
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 12:37 PM Andrew Black <andrewdblack@googlemail.commailto:andrewdblack@googlemail.com> wrote:
I have noticed that some records in Wikidata are using a site trismegistos.orghttp://trismegistos.org to establish birth dates. This is giving some odd results!
An instance is here
https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q55088584https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q55088584
date of birth 1999 1 reference reference URL http://www.trismegistos.org/editor/7726http://www.trismegistos.org/editor/7726 named as Jill Harries retrieved 9 October 2017
Is it possible to change this behavior?
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Andrew Black, 12/03/19 18:36:
Is it possible to change this behavior?
Someone made a mistake in the corresponding mix'n'match catalog: https://www.wikidata.org/?diff=830322643
See: https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/#/catalog/76
Federico
On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 at 18:15, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Andrew Black, 12/03/19 18:36:
Is it possible to change this behavior?
Someone made a mistake in the corresponding mix'n'match catalog: https://www.wikidata.org/?diff=830322643
Thanks Federico I understand that Trimegistos lists an authors publication date , not birth date. So it is creating odd results that a retired professor was born in 1999, despite having held posts in 1976.
Could you point me to who can cahange the "mix'n'match" catalog - can't say I really understand it.
Andrew
Hi,
I'm not sure where the error come from. It doesn't come from the source, Trismegistos doesn't say that this person is born in 1999 (1999 is a publication date here, at least in the interface). I'm not even sure it comes from Mix'n'match (TM 7726 seems to be WD Q55088584, user:Tagishsimon did the match last June[1] and it seems correct). The problem is probably elsewhere. Probably when the extraction of Trismegistos was done, the birthdate and the publication date were mixed up...
The best way is to contact Magnus who runs Mix'n'match and the bot importing data (or even better, the person who extracted Trismegistos but I don't know how to find them).
Cheers, ~nicolas
PS: it's not https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/#/catalog/76 (for places in Trismegistos) but https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/#/catalog/991 (for people in Trismegistos).
[1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/api.php?query=download2&catalogs=9...
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 6:36 PM Nicolas VIGNERON vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm not sure where the error come from. It doesn't come from the source, Trismegistos doesn't say that this person is born in 1999 (1999 is a publication date here, at least in the interface). I'm not even sure it comes from Mix'n'match (TM 7726 seems to be WD Q55088584, user:Tagishsimon did the match last June[1] and it seems correct). The problem is probably elsewhere. Probably when the extraction of Trismegistos was done, the birthdate and the publication date were mixed up...
The best way is to contact Magnus who runs Mix'n'match and the bot importing data (or even better, the person who extracted Trismegistos but I don't know how to find them).
I have removed the birth date "flags" from the Mix'n'match catalog 991.