Hi,
I just changed the Russian label of the Chelsea Manning item from Bradley to Chelsea. The Russian Wikipedia article was already moved to Chelsea, but nobody noticed that the label probably needs a change, too.
How can such things be handled better?
One thing I can think of is that after the Wikipedia article in language X is moved, the label in language X is shown as "possibly needs update" - similarly to FUZZY in the Translate extension. There can also be a button that says "confirm current label", for when there is no reason to change it. Finally, there could also be a page that lists such possibly labels.
Of course, there may be better ideas, and maybe some of them are already implemented and I just didn't notice it.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
Could we integrate it into the Wikipedia side? So when you move a page, you get a set of options:
[x] Move associated talk page [x] Leave a redirect behind [x] Watch source page and target page ... [x] Rename associated Wikidata item to new page title
Andrew.
On 14 August 2014 23:32, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Hi,
I just changed the Russian label of the Chelsea Manning item from Bradley to Chelsea. The Russian Wikipedia article was already moved to Chelsea, but nobody noticed that the label probably needs a change, too.
How can such things be handled better?
One thing I can think of is that after the Wikipedia article in language X is moved, the label in language X is shown as "possibly needs update" - similarly to FUZZY in the Translate extension. There can also be a button that says "confirm current label", for when there is no reason to change it. Finally, there could also be a page that lists such possibly labels.
Of course, there may be better ideas, and maybe some of them are already implemented and I just didn't notice it.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
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Problem with that option is that on Wikipedia you cannot see what the label on Wikidata is. The Wikidata label may have been changed for another reason (in the Manning case, say, a different transcription from Latin to Cyrillic), and then a choice like this would force someone to decide which of two changes is the most important without seeing the other one.
André
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
Could we integrate it into the Wikipedia side? So when you move a page, you get a set of options:
[x] Move associated talk page [x] Leave a redirect behind [x] Watch source page and target page ... [x] Rename associated Wikidata item to new page title
Andrew.
On 14 August 2014 23:32, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Hi,
I just changed the Russian label of the Chelsea Manning item from Bradley to Chelsea. The Russian Wikipedia article was already moved to Chelsea, but nobody noticed that the label probably needs a change, too.
How can such things be handled better?
One thing I can think of is that after the Wikipedia article in language X is moved, the label in language X is shown as "possibly needs update" - similarly to FUZZY in the Translate extension. There can also be a button that says "confirm current label", for when there is no reason to change it. Finally, there could also be a page that lists such possibly labels.
Of course, there may be better ideas, and maybe some of them are already implemented and I just didn't notice it.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
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On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Andre Engels andreengels@gmail.com wrote:
Problem with that option is that on Wikipedia you cannot see what the label on Wikidata is. The Wikidata label may have been changed for another reason (in the Manning case, say, a different transcription from Latin to Cyrillic), and then a choice like this would force someone to decide which of two changes is the most important without seeing the other one.
Sort of related, there is a gadget on some WPs which displays a summary of the Wikidata item underneath the WP article title. I didnt see any takeup for it on English Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Gadget/proposals#Wikidata_items_agai...
This would also help people *see* that the WD label needs updating.
-- John Vandenberg
On 15.08.2014 00:39, Andrew Gray wrote:
Could we integrate it into the Wikipedia side? So when you move a page, you get a set of options:
[x] Move associated talk page [x] Leave a redirect behind [x] Watch source page and target page ... [x] Rename associated Wikidata item to new page title
Andrew.
Not a bad idea but it means whoever vandalizes Wikipedia by an improper move can also immediately vandalize Wikidata.
Cheers Yaroslav
I agree that only a minority of page-moves lead to a change of item label, so I think the Wikidata re-label option should be default-off ;)
On 15 August 2014 10:32, Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru wrote:
On 15.08.2014 00:39, Andrew Gray wrote:
Could we integrate it into the Wikipedia side? So when you move a page, you get a set of options:
[x] Move associated talk page [x] Leave a redirect behind [x] Watch source page and target page ... [ ] Rename associated Wikidata item to new page title
Andrew.
Not a bad idea but it means whoever vandalizes Wikipedia by an improper
move can also immediately vandalize Wikidata.
Cheers Yaroslav
Well if your vandal is crazy enough to move the page, then there's nothing
much to stop him from vandalising the associated Wikidata item (one click away from Wikipedia page) anyway... and hey, page moves already auto-edit the Wikidata item to prevent breaking links.
On 15.08.2014 14:21, Deryck Chan wrote:
Well if your vandal is crazy enough to move the page, then there's nothing much to stop him from vandalising the associated Wikidata item (one click away from Wikipedia page) anyway... and hey, page moves already auto-edit the Wikidata item to prevent breaking links. _______________________________________________
In practice, Wikidata is still vandalized order of magnitude less than Wikipedia, which I can attest as administrator on both. And, yes, there users who are moving pages to vandalize.
Cheers Yaroslav
Hoi, <grin> it is complicated </grin. First of all the majority of name changes of ARTICLES are to effect disambiguation.. You get things like "Tom Mix (cowboy)" the label in Wikidata needs to remain "Tom Mix".
When you consider Mr/Mrs Manning, both labels are relevant.. The best way of dealing with it is probably making "Chelsea Manning" the main label with "Bradley Manning" an alias.
It is worth repeating... Wikidata is NOT Wikipedia. Thanks, GerardM
On 15 August 2014 00:32, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Hi,
I just changed the Russian label of the Chelsea Manning item from Bradley to Chelsea. The Russian Wikipedia article was already moved to Chelsea, but nobody noticed that the label probably needs a change, too.
How can such things be handled better?
One thing I can think of is that after the Wikipedia article in language X is moved, the label in language X is shown as "possibly needs update" - similarly to FUZZY in the Translate extension. There can also be a button that says "confirm current label", for when there is no reason to change it. Finally, there could also be a page that lists such possibly labels.
Of course, there may be better ideas, and maybe some of them are already implemented and I just didn't notice it.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
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