Over the last year, we have seen some discussion about if and how Wikidata can be useful for Wikimedia Commons. One aspect of this is maintaining meta data as structured data.
On behalf of the Wikidata development team, I just posted a proposal for this:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata_for_media_info
We hope you regard this as an invitation to discuss the proposal and to identify use cases that we do not cover with it.
Please use the proposal's talk page as a central place for discussion about Wikidata and media meta data.
Please invite others involved with the Wikidata or Commons projects or otherwise interested in media meta data to take part in the invitation.
Thank you, Daniel Kinzler
Two quick questions, I'll use the list since they are technical.
On 25/06/13 14:28, Daniel Kinzler wrote:
Over the last year, we have seen some discussion about if and how Wikidata can be useful for Wikimedia Commons. One aspect of this is maintaining meta data as structured data.
On behalf of the Wikidata development team, I just posted a proposal for this:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata_for_media_info
In order to support Commons meta-data, we plan to introduce another
entity type, media-info. Each file on commons can have a media-info entity associated with it, which would reside on a sub-page of the file description page. E.g. the meta-data for File:Berlin.jpg would be located at File:Berlin.jpg/info.
Do you think it would it be possible to have this data on the actual image page, where current page text would be just one of the items?
Aperture, etc. Might be taken from EXIF using a bot.
Wouldn't it be possible to create/update this data automatically whenever an image is uploaded?
Am 25.06.2013 14:58, schrieb Nikola Smolenski:
Do you think it would it be possible to have this data on the actual image page, where current page text would be just one of the items?
In theory yes, but I think that would create more problems than it would solve. For one, wikitext as data values is very tricky. Also, the transition would be painful.
Also, we'd have to find solutions for categories, for integration with the translation stuff, etc.
I think it would create far more problems that it would solve. What's the problem with having the actual entity on a separate page, and modifying the {{info}} template to pull info from there using Lua?
Aperture, etc. Might be taken from EXIF using a bot.
Wouldn't it be possible to create/update this data automatically whenever an image is uploaded?
Would be possible, yes.
-- daniel
On 25/06/13 15:04, Daniel Kinzler wrote:
Am 25.06.2013 14:58, schrieb Nikola Smolenski:
Do you think it would it be possible to have this data on the actual image page, where current page text would be just one of the items?
In theory yes, but I think that would create more problems than it would solve. For one, wikitext as data values is very tricky. Also, the transition would be painful.
Also, we'd have to find solutions for categories, for integration with the translation stuff, etc.
I think it would create far more problems that it would solve. What's the problem with having the actual entity on a separate page, and modifying the {{info}} template to pull info from there using Lua?
Not a problem, but I'm thinking that in future this could be expanded to more than images. For example, page categories could be stored as statements.
From the proposal it is not very clear to me what is the relationship
between the data stored in Commons and the data stored in Wikidata is going to look like. I assume that "Work (item)" will be linked to existing "work items" in Wikidata, is that correct? In that case will it be possible to have some interface to create missing items in Wikidata from Commons?
This questions are related to the modifications to the UploadWizard that one student is doing for the GsoC and how to handle the metadata creation when the file is uploaded: This RfC is still a draft, but your input would be very much appreciated: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Micru/Wikisource_across_projects
Cheers, David Cuenca
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinzler@wikimedia.de
wrote:
Over the last year, we have seen some discussion about if and how Wikidata can be useful for Wikimedia Commons. One aspect of this is maintaining meta data as structured data.
On behalf of the Wikidata development team, I just posted a proposal for this:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata_for_media_infoWe hope you regard this as an invitation to discuss the proposal and to identify use cases that we do not cover with it.
Please use the proposal's talk page as a central place for discussion about Wikidata and media meta data.
Please invite others involved with the Wikidata or Commons projects or otherwise interested in media meta data to take part in the invitation.
Thank you, Daniel Kinzler
Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Am 25.06.2013 15:37, schrieb David Cuenca:
From the proposal it is not very clear to me what is the relationship between the data stored in Commons and the data stored in Wikidata is going to look like. I assume that "Work (item)" will be linked to existing "work items" in Wikidata, is that correct? In that case will it be possible to have some interface to create missing items in Wikidata from Commons?
Yes, that is correct.
Having such an interface is technically possible, but not in the scope of this proposal. I imagine it could be done using a gadget.
This questions are related to the modifications to the UploadWizard that one student is doing for the GsoC and how to handle the metadata creation when the file is uploaded: This RfC is still a draft, but your input would be very much appreciated: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Micru/Wikisource_across_projects
It would definitely be nice to hook into the upload process directly for creating the meta data, but I would not want to make this a requirement for initial deployment.
-- daniel