(putting it back on list as I think it helps to reach a common
understanding of what we try and what we should achieve)
2012/4/6 Gregor Hagedorn <g.m.hagedorn(a)gmail.com>
off list, because I am afraid this is getting
off-topic, but you can
put it back to list if you like:
In Wikidata they would be represented as two
pages, one for the Kubistar
(which would link to the Danish and German page for the Kubistar), and
one
for the Kangoo (which would link to the 20
language versions of the
Kangoo
article, including a Danish and a German one).
This is a rather simple
example, which would be easily expressed with the exact matches that we
suggest.
So far I fail to understand: where would the actual data for the model
live (the kangoo page is a summary page for models with different
specs in the infoboxes)
I assume on separate wikidata pages, that have no relation to the kangoo
page?
Correct. Information about different models would be given on different
Kangoo pages. If there is no Wikipedia page for that model in a given
Wikipedia, no Wikipedia link should be given. (This does not mean that
there can be no information displayed about them in the given Wikipedia:
any Wikipedia article will be able to display any information about any
item in Wikidata in phase 3).
I am concerned with reverse discovery of information
by editors coming
from wikipedia to wikidata. I realize this is a separate topic, but
one in the back of my mind (or rather in my use case scenario) and why
I am arguing to allow such relations.
There will be plenty of links connecting Wikidata items with each other. I
don't think that this kind of information discovery will be a major hurdle.
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The kubistar example is interesting to me, because wikidata would then
suggest the english wikipedia has no information on the kubistar,
whereas it really is available on the kangoo page.
this is in fact one thing that the interlanguage links have been used
for, but because of situations as above with limited success.
The assumption that because there is no article about X in a given
Wikipedia, there is no information about X in that Wikipedia, is not
correct, and should not be made.
from one
single Wikidata article. Two Wikidata pages cannot claim the
same
Wikipedia article in a single language as their
defining article.
here you speak of defining article, where currently it is a set of
more or less roughly related wikipedia pages in different languages.
Our assumption is that in general if one Wikipedia page is identifying a
topic, the ones connected through interwiki links are identifying the same
topic. The rules for interwiki links in the German Wikipedia mandate that
[1], the ones in the English are only little bit less strict about that
[2]. For the few exceptions where that is not the case, interwiki links can
be set and overwritten locally.
[1]
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilfe:Internationalisierung
[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Interlanguage_links
late in the night, like for you as well...
Greogr
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