Dear Magnus,
What do you suggest we do in the meanwhile?
- Wait with the data ingestion process until the overhaul has been done? - Do you have an idea when this could be the case?
- Ingest the data, providing the source without its “publication date”? – Do you think it will be possible to add the “publication date” of the source at a later stage by re-running the tool when it has been improved? Or is it better to leave out the source altogether for the time being?
Cheers, Beat
From: Wikidata [mailto:wikidata-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Magnus Manske Sent: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2016 13:56 To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project. Subject: Re: [Wikidata] Quick Statements Tool: How to add publication date of sources
The tool is missing several functions, and requires a general overhaul/rewrite. Haven't gotten around to it.
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:52 PM Estermann Beat <beat.estermann@bfh.chmailto:beat.estermann@bfh.ch> wrote: Hi,
I’ve recently tried in vain to add a “publication date” qualifier to a reference, using the Quick Statements Tool. I’ve posted the issue on Magnus’ Talk Page, but haven’t gotten any response so far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Magnus_Manske#Quick_Statements_Tool:...
Does anyone know how to do this? Or can you suggest any other tools, work arounds etc. to properly add the source, including the publication date, in the course of a larger data ingestion job?
I’m not a software programmer; thus low-threshold tools or newbie-proof instructions would be appreciated. ;-)
Cheers, Beat
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As with all my tools, development happens when both of these conditions coincide: * I have time * I am in the mood ;-)
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 1:07 PM Estermann Beat beat.estermann@bfh.ch wrote:
Dear Magnus,
What do you suggest we do in the meanwhile?
Wait with the data ingestion process until the overhaul hasbeen done? - Do you have an idea when this could be the case?
Ingest the data, providing the source without its “publicationdate”? – Do you think it will be possible to add the “publication date” of the source at a later stage by re-running the tool when it has been improved? Or is it better to leave out the source altogether for the time being?
Cheers,
Beat
*From:* Wikidata [mailto:wikidata-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Magnus Manske *Sent:* Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2016 13:56 *To:* Discussion list for the Wikidata project. *Subject:* Re: [Wikidata] Quick Statements Tool: How to add publication date of sources
The tool is missing several functions, and requires a general overhaul/rewrite. Haven't gotten around to it.
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:52 PM Estermann Beat beat.estermann@bfh.ch wrote:
Hi,
I’ve recently tried in vain to add a “publication date” qualifier to a reference, using the Quick Statements Tool. I’ve posted the issue on Magnus’ Talk Page, but haven’t gotten any response so far:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Magnus_Manske#Quick_Statements_Tool:...
Does anyone know how to do this? Or can you suggest any other tools, work arounds etc. to properly add the source, including the publication date, in the course of a larger data ingestion job?
I’m not a software programmer; thus low-threshold tools or newbie-proof instructions would be appreciated. ;-)
Cheers,
Beat
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Why the fixation on the publication date alone? Why not author etc? If you first add the source as an item, then you can put the author and publication date etc in the source item. When adding it as a source in a reference statement, it has the publication date in there implicitly. You can probably also query that usage data based on the publication date or authorship somehow. The problem is that you need to make items for the sources you want to reference with a publication date.
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
As with all my tools, development happens when both of these conditions coincide:
- I have time
- I am in the mood
;-)
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 1:07 PM Estermann Beat beat.estermann@bfh.ch wrote:
Dear Magnus,
What do you suggest we do in the meanwhile?
Wait with the data ingestion process until the overhaul hasbeen done? - Do you have an idea when this could be the case?
Ingest the data, providing the source without its“publication date”? – Do you think it will be possible to add the “publication date” of the source at a later stage by re-running the tool when it has been improved? Or is it better to leave out the source altogether for the time being?
Cheers,
Beat
*From:* Wikidata [mailto:wikidata-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Magnus Manske *Sent:* Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2016 13:56 *To:* Discussion list for the Wikidata project. *Subject:* Re: [Wikidata] Quick Statements Tool: How to add publication date of sources
The tool is missing several functions, and requires a general overhaul/rewrite. Haven't gotten around to it.
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:52 PM Estermann Beat beat.estermann@bfh.ch wrote:
Hi,
I’ve recently tried in vain to add a “publication date” qualifier to a reference, using the Quick Statements Tool. I’ve posted the issue on Magnus’ Talk Page, but haven’t gotten any response so far:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Magnus_Manske#Quick_ Statements_Tool:_Adding_publication_date_of_sources
Does anyone know how to do this? Or can you suggest any other tools, work arounds etc. to properly add the source, including the publication date, in the course of a larger data ingestion job?
I’m not a software programmer; thus low-threshold tools or newbie-proof instructions would be appreciated. ;-)
Cheers,
Beat
[image: OpenGLAM.ch_Logo.jpg]
Beat Estermann Coordinator OpenGLAM CH Working Group http://openglam.ch
Berne University of Applied Sciences E-Government Institute Brückenstrasse 73 CH-3005 Bern
beat.estermann@openglam.ch
Phone +41 31 848 34 38 <+41%2031%20848%2034%2038>
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Hi Jane,
The source is a database; according to present guidelines (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Sources), databases should be referenced as follows:
- “stated in (P248)” pointing to the WD item of the database, with the following qualifiers:
o Database property ID
o Title of the dataset in the database
o Publication date (P577)
In my concrete case, the database property ID corresponds to the GLAM-ID declared directly in the Wikidata-item, so I wasn’t going to repeat it for the reference. As the database contains several releases of only one dataset, I was just going to use the publication date of a given release to further specify the source.
Now, upon reflection, I might just create a different WD item for each new release of the dataset as a workaround to the present limitations of the Quick Statements Tool. In the longer run, we probably still should have a tool to batch ingest data that covers all the cases stipulated in the guidelines. Otherwise, we will see breaches of the guidelines due to avoidance practices triggered by the limitations of our tools.
Cheers, Beat
From: Wikidata [mailto:wikidata-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Darnell Sent: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2016 20:32 To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project. Subject: Re: [Wikidata] Quick Statements Tool: How to add publication date of sources
Why the fixation on the publication date alone? Why not author etc? If you first add the source as an item, then you can put the author and publication date etc in the source item. When adding it as a source in a reference statement, it has the publication date in there implicitly. You can probably also query that usage data based on the publication date or authorship somehow. The problem is that you need to make items for the sources you want to reference with a publication date.
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Magnus Manske <magnusmanske@googlemail.commailto:magnusmanske@googlemail.com> wrote: As with all my tools, development happens when both of these conditions coincide: * I have time * I am in the mood ;-)
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 1:07 PM Estermann Beat <beat.estermann@bfh.chmailto:beat.estermann@bfh.ch> wrote: Dear Magnus,
What do you suggest we do in the meanwhile?
- Wait with the data ingestion process until the overhaul has been done? - Do you have an idea when this could be the case?
- Ingest the data, providing the source without its “publication date”? – Do you think it will be possible to add the “publication date” of the source at a later stage by re-running the tool when it has been improved? Or is it better to leave out the source altogether for the time being?
Cheers, Beat
From: Wikidata [mailto:wikidata-bounces@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:wikidata-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Magnus Manske Sent: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2016 13:56 To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project. Subject: Re: [Wikidata] Quick Statements Tool: How to add publication date of sources
The tool is missing several functions, and requires a general overhaul/rewrite. Haven't gotten around to it.
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:52 PM Estermann Beat <beat.estermann@bfh.chmailto:beat.estermann@bfh.ch> wrote: Hi,
I’ve recently tried in vain to add a “publication date” qualifier to a reference, using the Quick Statements Tool. I’ve posted the issue on Magnus’ Talk Page, but haven’t gotten any response so far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Magnus_Manske#Quick_Statements_Tool:...
Does anyone know how to do this? Or can you suggest any other tools, work arounds etc. to properly add the source, including the publication date, in the course of a larger data ingestion job?
I’m not a software programmer; thus low-threshold tools or newbie-proof instructions would be appreciated. ;-)
Cheers, Beat
_____________________________________________________
Beat Estermann Coordinator OpenGLAM CH Working Group http://openglam.chhttp://openglam.ch/ Berne University of Applied Sciences E-Government Institute Brückenstrasse 73 CH-3005 Bern beat.estermann@openglam.chmailto:beat.estermann@openglam.ch
Phone +41 31 848 34 38tel:+41%2031%20848%2034%2038
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