There seems to have been a misunderstanding on my part, for which I
apologize. When I read this the first time I thought that you were
stitching together audio clips specifically for voice identification. Audio
clips for voice identification, at least in my experience, tend to just be
a collection of syllables, as that is what is basically needed to do voice
identification. If you are talking about substantive quotes, with your
samples seem to be indicating you are, then what I was worried about and
what you intend to do are very different things.
I will retract the concerns that I laid out in the previous email, as they
appear to be unfounded.
Apologies again,
Sven
On Nov 15, 2013 5:17 PM, "Andrew Gray" <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> wrote:
On 15 November 2013 07:54, Sven Manguard
<svenmanguard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This is certainly an interesting idea, but
I'm not sure it has a place in
either Wikipedia or Wikidata unless we're talking about the clips being
notable quotes.
For Wikipedia, if it's just a voice sample - as opposed to a notable
quote -
the community is going to view it as cruft and
remove it from articles,
as
the majority of users will find a contextless
sound clip to be of little
encyclopedic value.
For Wikidata, why would we link to an audio sample if it's of no valueto
sister projects and no different from other voice samples (except for the
license).
I like the idea, don't get me wrong. I just think that the broader
community
is not going to see the utility in the samples.
I think that audio clips - as supplementary material - do have
definite value; undoubtedly they're of less value than a photograph,
but they're probably more useful than a signature, which seems to be
fairly well accepted (on enwiki at least). Beats me as to why...
Audio clips of major quotes (or whole speeches, etc) are definitely
more value than more mundane ones, in the way that a picture of
historic significance is better than a conventional portrait, but I
wouldn't agree that they're automatically contextless just because you
don't already know what they're saying. Of the three samples given
there, we have:
* Mary Robinson talking about her upbringing
* Mark Carney discussing economic policy
* Justin Welby on ethics & banking
The general approach of the BBC material makes it likely that most of
the clips will be people discussing themselves, their work, or their
field of expertise, all of which seem contextually appropriate.
Thirdly, whether Wikipedia wants it or not this is definitely useful
and appropriate material for Commons, and if Commons has a distinctive
class of items attached to subjects then it seems reasonable to note
that on Wikidata. Again, signatures are a good example -
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P109 - but there's also things
like
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P94 (coat of arms image)
The fact that we've got external reusers doing something cool
(matching Wikidata entities by voice recognition!) is the icing on the
cake ;-)
--
- Andrew Gray
andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk
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