Hi! After almost 2 months of deliberations, we are aiming to close the RfC on References and Sources on June 15. The result of the discussions has been condensed into the proposed Guidelines for sourcing staments. http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Please_review_the_.22Guid...
And also these proposed enhancements will help users to enter and to display sources more easily: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49067 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49068
Cheers, Micru
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:14 AM, David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Hi! After almost 2 months of deliberations, we are aiming to close the RfC on References and Sources on June 15. The result of the discussions has been condensed into the proposed Guidelines for sourcing staments. http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Please_review_the_.22Guid...
And also these proposed enhancements will help users to enter and to display sources more easily: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49067 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49068
Cheers, Micru
Thanks so much to you and everyone else who worked on moving this forward. It's an important missing piece in the Wikidata puzzle.
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Hoi, I have been thinking about requirements like any assertion must be sourced. I think they will kill much of the embryonic community Wikidata has.
When people of any Wikipedia want to make sure that the data of Wikidata contains sources to assertions, they are welcome to add them. Requiring them is something they may do to the extend of their use on their project.
Thanks, GerardM
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/06/defending-wiki-in-wikidata.html
On 3 June 2013 00:14, David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Hi! After almost 2 months of deliberations, we are aiming to close the RfC on References and Sources on June 15. The result of the discussions has been condensed into the proposed Guidelines for sourcing staments.
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Please_review_the_.22Guid...
And also these proposed enhancements will help users to enter and to display sources more easily: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49067 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49068
Cheers, Micru
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Hi GerardM,
It was a typo from my side when writing the implications. Where it says "must" it should have been "should" (corrected). The first sentence of the guidelines is correct and it reads: - Wikidata is a collection of sourced data, which means that most statements should indicate the data provenance.
The guidelines are suggestions we should strive for. They are not intended as strong rules, instead I see them as a commitment to aim for sourced data. There are already projects that are open to all kinds of data (dbpedia comes to mind), and I don't think it is a good idea to replicate what they do.
Cheers, Micru
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi, I have been thinking about requirements like any assertion must be sourced. I think they will kill much of the embryonic community Wikidata has.
When people of any Wikipedia want to make sure that the data of Wikidata contains sources to assertions, they are welcome to add them. Requiring them is something they may do to the extend of their use on their project.
Thanks, GerardM
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/06/defending-wiki-in-wikidata.html
On 3 June 2013 00:14, David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Hi! After almost 2 months of deliberations, we are aiming to close the RfC on References and Sources on June 15. The result of the discussions has been condensed into the proposed Guidelines for sourcing staments.
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Please_review_the_.22Guid...
And also these proposed enhancements will help users to enter and to display sources more easily: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49067 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49068
Cheers, Micru
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On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:52 AM, David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
There are already projects that are open to all kinds of data (dbpedia comes to mind), and I don't think it is a good idea to replicate what they do.
DBpedia's information source is Wikipedia, so it certainly isn't open to "all kinds of data."
Tom
Hoi, In my opinion is Wikidata a collection of assertions. By providing sources respectability is provided to assertions it does however not provide certainty to what is asserted and consequently does not make them facts by definition. Thanks, GerardM
On 3 June 2013 15:52, David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Hi GerardM,
It was a typo from my side when writing the implications. Where it says "must" it should have been "should" (corrected). The first sentence of the guidelines is correct and it reads:
- Wikidata is a collection of sourced data, which means that most
statements should indicate the data provenance.
The guidelines are suggestions we should strive for. They are not intended as strong rules, instead I see them as a commitment to aim for sourced data. There are already projects that are open to all kinds of data (dbpedia comes to mind), and I don't think it is a good idea to replicate what they do.
Cheers, Micru
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi, I have been thinking about requirements like any assertion must be sourced. I think they will kill much of the embryonic community Wikidata has.
When people of any Wikipedia want to make sure that the data of Wikidata contains sources to assertions, they are welcome to add them. Requiring them is something they may do to the extend of their use on their project.
Thanks, GerardM
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2013/06/defending-wiki-in-wikidata.html
On 3 June 2013 00:14, David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Hi! After almost 2 months of deliberations, we are aiming to close the RfC on References and Sources on June 15. The result of the discussions has been condensed into the proposed Guidelines for sourcing staments.
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Please_review_the_.22Guid...
And also these proposed enhancements will help users to enter and to display sources more easily: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49067 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49068
Cheers, Micru
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On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Tom Morris tfmorris@gmail.com wrote:
DBpedia's information source is Wikipedia, so it certainly isn't open to "all kinds of data."
"All kinds of data" as in sourced or unsourced. Some data in Wikipedia is not sourced.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi, In my opinion is Wikidata a collection of assertions. By providing sources respectability is provided to assertions it does however not provide certainty to what is asserted and consequently does not make them facts by definition.
It does not, but I don't think the aim is to collect all the assertions found in Wikipedia either. Remember that Wikipedia is not a primary source.
Cheers, David
Hoi, While Wikipedia is not a primary source, many of the assertions in Wikipedia have sources. When sources in Wikipedia (either directly or through DBpedia) are added to Wikidata, the assertions will be a great start for curating these facts. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with starting with the assertions in Wikipedia (are all Wikipedias equal ??).
Relevant is that we need labels in Wikipedia in any and all languages. This means that we seriously need a multi lingual community... we seriously need a community and we may get such a community when we make sure that Wikidata is a project in its own right.
Again, adding sources to assertions is important but we are starting with unsourced assertions and growing a community that has an interest in Wikidata for its own sake as well as for the application of assertions elsewhere (not only in wikipedias). Thanks, GerardM
On 3 June 2013 17:01, David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Tom Morris tfmorris@gmail.com wrote:
DBpedia's information source is Wikipedia, so it certainly isn't open to "all kinds of data."
"All kinds of data" as in sourced or unsourced. Some data in Wikipedia is not sourced.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi, In my opinion is Wikidata a collection of assertions. By providing sources respectability is provided to assertions it does however not provide certainty to what is asserted and consequently does not make them facts by definition.
It does not, but I don't think the aim is to collect all the assertions found in Wikipedia either. Remember that Wikipedia is not a primary source.
Cheers, David
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Hi Gerard,
If we are talking about mass imports from Wikipedia that is a different subject. In my opinion they will have to be discussed individually, some of them will be approved (even if they don't follow the recommendation of providing a source), some other might face opposition. I agree that we need a community that participates actively in such decisions and that decides what is acceptable and what not.
I think such multilingual community is forming around the discussion pages in Wikidata, the several task forces, and the request for comments on properties, bots, etc. It just needs time and also the freedom to decide what is acceptable by itself.
Thanks, Micru
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi, While Wikipedia is not a primary source, many of the assertions in Wikipedia have sources. When sources in Wikipedia (either directly or through DBpedia) are added to Wikidata, the assertions will be a great start for curating these facts. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with starting with the assertions in Wikipedia (are all Wikipedias equal ??).
Relevant is that we need labels in Wikipedia in any and all languages. This means that we seriously need a multi lingual community... we seriously need a community and we may get such a community when we make sure that Wikidata is a project in its own right.
Again, adding sources to assertions is important but we are starting with unsourced assertions and growing a community that has an interest in Wikidata for its own sake as well as for the application of assertions elsewhere (not only in wikipedias). Thanks, GerardM
On 3 June 2013 17:01, David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Tom Morris tfmorris@gmail.com wrote:
DBpedia's information source is Wikipedia, so it certainly isn't open to "all kinds of data."
"All kinds of data" as in sourced or unsourced. Some data in Wikipedia is not sourced.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi, In my opinion is Wikidata a collection of assertions. By providing sources respectability is provided to assertions it does however not provide certainty to what is asserted and consequently does not make them facts by definition.
It does not, but I don't think the aim is to collect all the assertions found in Wikipedia either. Remember that Wikipedia is not a primary source.
Cheers, David
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