I like the "associated peoples" idea - it's more widely applicable than "culture". I could change my proposal to this, so that it could be used for all these cases?
If 'dominant culture' needs indicating, I think it would make sense to do this as a 'qualifier' on the relevant culture (there may not be an appropriate property for this yet). Similarly, you could specify 'start-date' and 'end-date' qualifiers to indicate when each people was associated with the site/object/concept.
Lawrence
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 13:34 Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
"Culture" seems a good idea. I was considering whether "associated peoples" might be better than "inhabited by" - with a constraint to make it clear that values had to be an instance of a nationality, ethnic group, population, etc., rather than individuals. It seems to overlap a bit with "culture".
This would let us have "countries" like:
- Aztec empire : associated peoples : Mexica (and others)
- France : associated peoples : French people
but also could be used for both historic & contemporary cultural concepts/objects/sites/etc:
- Armenian dance : associated peoples : Armenian people
- Sutton Hoo : associated peoples : Anglo-Saxons
- Highland dress : associated peoples : Scottish people
Unlike the culture idea, it wouldn't be implicitly "dominant culture". This may or many not be a good thing :-)
Andrew.
On 14 January 2016 at 10:48, Lawrence Troup lawrencetroup@gmail.com wrote:
Hi James,
This is quite similar to my proposal for a "culture" property [1], which would be used e.g. for Tenochtitlan [Q13695] has "culture" Mexica
[Q3307681]
(and probably also has culture Aztec [Q12542]). You could potentially
extend
the usage of this attribute so that you could have the "culture" of the Aztec Empire set to Mexica.
I agree with Andrew that "inhabited by" is a property that needs adding - though in this case, it wouldn't indicate that Mexica were rulers of the Aztec Empire, just that they lived in it.
Thanks, Lawrence
[1] "culture" property proposal:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#cultu...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 09:49 Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk
wrote:
Hi James,
Interesting question, this one. There's no easy way to link, eg, "France" and "French people".
We have a property for "category of associated people" (P1792), so: France [P1792] Category:French people; & in turn that has a "category's main topic": Category:French people [P301] French people - but this is very convoluted!
I wonder if this might be something looking for a suitable new property - "inhabited by"? "associated nationality"?. Alternatively, we could use P17, "country", on the item for the population group - this is a bit generic, but it would work.
Andrew.
On 13 January 2016 at 18:58, james@j1w.xyz wrote:
I want to add relationships between Mexica :Q3307681and Aztec Empire :Q794210 [1] where Mexicas were an indigenous people of the Valley of Mexico, known today as the rulers of the Aztec empire. I haven't
found
any properties that seem appropriate to me so I'd like to get your insight before adding any. What properties would be most appropriate?
[1] ConceptMap link: http://bit.ly/1RMVgsD
Regards, James Weaver
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