Le 2013-04-08 15:54, Luca Martinelli a écrit :
2013/4/8 Mathieu Stumpf psychoslave@culture-libre.org:
Le 2013-04-08 15:02, Luca Martinelli a écrit :
What I tried to say is: we don't mind if we go back in a page history and find a red link to a template, nobody cares, because we all know that a template has been deleted/substituted *for a reason* - that we even discussed for a VERY long time. What we DO care is that the article has *right now* the correct data - and this will be easier with Wikidata. I wouldn't have been its main sponsor in it.wp, if it wasn't for this.
When I look in the history, I want to see the data which where used then : there are the correct data of this history context. The "current" page may be automaticaly edited to match the current wikidata entries it refers to, but this changes should appears in the history, just like it's done with bots.
So, no, I don't care that the last revision of an article uses the "correct data", because "correct data" is an ambiguous term. What I hope to see, is that the last revision article uses the last revision of the wikidata entries it needs; or at least the value it had the last time that a commit was made to update this value. And when I look in the history, I want to see the value that the article used to use then. Otherwise it would be history counterfeiting.
Ok, I give up. Ask the devs to solve this problem, open a bug about it, whatever.
Sorry, I didn't want to upset anyone.
For the records I *do not* see as a problem as of now, since IMVHO we've got other priorities to deal with - first of all: filling the items with statements, and possibly completing the statements with sources, in order to make the data on Wikidata usable on Wikipedia.
Ok, do you mean making a bug report on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ ? If so I would welcome any advise to make a bug report as relevant as possible. To my mind it would be realy like put the cart before the horse if we began to feed articles with wikidata before we have a proper history management. I understand the willing to be able to use this bright new tool. I **do** share your exitement here. But if you take a step backward, there's no urge to go into a situation possibly harmful for the credibility of our "will to be reliable through transparency".
So, before I make a bug report, can anyone confirm me that as it is today, wikidata invokation in previous revision of a page will fail to provide the relevant data, that is, the data which was returned at the time the revision was in use. More generaly, could developers/admins confirm me that data update would not appear in the article history. Because it seems to me that I saw such entries with the interlang migration, so until now I supposed that any change in wikidata would rise a new revision with a commit message in each article using this data.
Kind regards, mathieu