P.S.
I think this has been suggested already but I am not sure - I think that one should eventually think of allowing parallel classifications schemes at wikidata. So one could have an ISO classification
AND a user made classification like similar to the one at megajoule.org. Frankly speaking I fear that classifications like the one at megajoule.org
(at least if I look at the 100 sofar inserted items, (see under technology)) may not be so overly appropriate for industrial applications.
In particular their data model may be a problem.
Hello everyone,
I just saw the wikidata talk from wikimania 2012 and I have to say wikidata
is shaping up nicely. One think I noticed and like in particular is your
idea how to handle 'facts' so that only adding or removing is allowed, but
not editing. In my opinion thats a tremendously useful concept.
It aligns with others ideas mentioned in this talk (
http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Value-Values)
Looking forward to the finished phase 1
regards andreas S.
John McClure wrote:
"I don't think you're hearing the question. A reply y'all gave on the issue was that any standard used by
Wikidata needed to be 100% open-source -- no money required as in free. Even though what is being charged by
ISO to support its business model is a PITTANCE in my humble opinion... So, the consequent question I asked
then was, if you're not going to use any (ISO or national) standard then how can you assure the WP community
that Wikidata is not violating someone's copyright(s)?"
Hello Lydia,
Unfortunately I have to agree with John that you really do not seem to hear the question because that is also
what I read as your reply. Or was there another reply which I missed somewhere in this hard-to-browse-and-search newsgroup?
Thus please explain a bit more what you mean exactly by "Unless something changed on the freedom status of the documents needed nothing changed since we discussed this last."
I do not agree with John that the ISOs business model is a pittance though.
That is as I linked to in this thread:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.wikidata/618
the ISO sells their items seperately and alone e.g. the basic description of Iso inch screw threads:
http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnu…
costs 80 CHF
so this could add up rather quickly to quite an amount of money.
I thus asked (here:http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.wikidata/576) wether one shouldnt ask for packages or at least for the use of the ISO classification scheme. I dont know how much copyright there is on classification schemes in general though. (I could imagine that this is a juridicial problem since big parts of a classification scheme
are often trivial and unavoidable, like a hammer is a tool and it would make no sense to give up this
classification just because there was eventually some crazy copyright protection...however may be
lawyers do now think that a hammer could also equally well be classified as wardrobe item (given what one sees
sometimes in jurisdiction I wouldnt wonder anymore))
Regarding the comment by Denny Vandrecic
"Because we ARE using standards like RDF or OWL (or HTML or URIs) which
are W3C and IETF standards, and which in turn have a well documented
policy regarding patents and copyrights, see e.g.
<http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20040205/> for W3C
standards.
I hope that answers that question."
By looking at this page I can't really see why this is an answer to the questions, could you please
explain this a bit more?
thanks nad
----- Original Nachricht ----
Von: dr.cueppers.gmbh(a)arcor.de
An: wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Datum: 03.09.2012 11:02
Betreff: Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata, ISO and chembox
>
>
>
> ----- Original Nachricht ----
> Von: Nadja Kutz <nadja(a)daytar.de>
> An: "Discussion list for the Wikidata project."
> <wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Datum: 31.08.2012 11:37
> Betreff: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata, ISO and chembox
>
> > Hello
> >
> > Is there any news on the thoughts about including ISO standards into
> > wikidata?
> >
> > in particular it would be nice to here someone from wikidata comment on
> > this:
> > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.wikidata/576
> > ?
> >
> > this may also influence things like the chembox etc.:
> >
> > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.wikidata/784
> >
> > when will there be wikidata access for the chembox ?
>
> I must complement my protrudingly quoted text:
>
> obviously it is really planned to make available complete info-boxes in
> Wikidata (I did not know this with writing my text). However, this is - like
> everything what will be stored in Wikidata only an offer: No WP must use
> this and such an info-box is offered ' in an empty state', i. e. with all
> parameter-names in the left fissure but without any parameter value.
>
> For instance, the info-box ' chemical element ' s required in every WP about
> 100 times i (so much as there are articles to chemical elements, much more
> elements don't exist). Whether any WP uses this Wikidata-info box or not is
> complete regardless of the question, whether this WP uses the values of
> this parameters stored in wikidata or don't use them. The values are stored
> in Wikidata on an other place, so that it is completely regardless of this
> 'empty info box-structure', what just means, that these values are available
> also, if the info box is not taken over from Wikidata and has an other
> structure.
>
> Dr.cueppers
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Additional:
For every information Wikidata offers not only one storage space: There can be stored several info-boxes side by side from which can any user pick out the suitably appearing one. And if to an value would be found more than one reference: Every such value can be stored in Wikidata side by side (each with the suitable reference).
With this method (parallel stored values) are also prevented undesirable entries, if it woud be provided, that stored data cannot be overwritten or deleted by users. So will exist - possibly wrong and right - data side by side and everybody selects itself what seems to him right. For wrongly held data he can announce on the accompanying talk-pagee. Then it will not last long until the wrong data are extinguished by a Wikidata-Admin.
I hope that this way of thinking is identical to that of the Wikidata architects.
dr.cueppers
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----- Original Nachricht ----
Von: Nadja Kutz <nadja(a)daytar.de>
An: "Discussion list for the Wikidata project." <wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Datum: 31.08.2012 11:37
Betreff: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata, ISO and chembox
> Hello
>
> Is there any news on the thoughts about including ISO standards into
> wikidata?
>
> in particular it would be nice to here someone from wikidata comment on
> this:
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.wikidata/576
> ?
>
> this may also influence things like the chembox etc.:
>
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.wikidata/784
>
> when will there be wikidata access for the chembox ?
I must complement my protrudingly quoted text:
obviously it is really planned to make available complete info-boxes in Wikidata (I did not know this with writing my text). However, this is - like everything what will be stored in Wikidata only an offer: No WP must use this and such an info-box is offered ' in an empty state', i. e. with all parameter-names in the left fissure but without any parameter value.
For instance, the info-box ' chemical element ' s required in every WP about 100 times i (so much as there are articles to chemical elements, much more elements don't exist). Whether any WP uses this Wikidata-info box or not is complete regardless of the question, whether this WP uses the values of this parameters stored in wikidata or don't use them. The values are stored in Wikidata on an other place, so that it is completely regardless of this 'empty info box-structure', what just means, that these values are available also, if the info box is not taken over from Wikidata and has an other structure.
Dr.cueppers
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