Do we have data on "# of speakers of language X who don't speak a better-covered lang as a secondary language"?

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 4:21 PM Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com wrote:

How wonderful. Thank you ! Maybe some of this could show up in a tiny sidebar on hatnote, too.

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 4:04 PM Erik Zachte ezachte@wikimedia.org wrote:

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Hi all,

I just published a new visualization: Wikipedias, compared by participation per language (= active editors per million speakers)

There are several pages,

one for a global overview

https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/participation/d3_participation_global....

one with breakdown by continent

https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/participation/d3_participation_contine...

You can also zoom in on one continent, by clicking on it

Any feedback is welcome.

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From my knowledge of the Australian census and what I can find on the Australian Bureau of Statistics website, we don't have this information about Australians either. It seems we don't know what other languages people can speak. The only statistic available is *households* which speak a language other than English, which greatly under-estimates the ability of any individual to speak that language as it depends on who they are living with and fails to tell us how well that other language is spoken by any individual.

This issue came up for Australian Wikipedians in connection with Indigenous languages. Despite the fact that we get asked to provide information on Wikipedia on the number of people who speak either any Indigenous language or a particular Indigenous language, we have no ability to answer that question except for whole households. And since (depending on how you define "language") there were 250+ Indigenous languages (with even more sub-dialects), even a household entirely composed of Indigenous people may not have a common Indigenous language to speak at home.

Kerry

-----Original Message----- From: Wiki-research-l [mailto:wiki-research-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Federico Leva (Nemo) Sent: Friday, 14 September 2018 12:16 AM To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org; Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] New viz.: Wikipedias, participation per language

Always nice to see language data presented in an appealing way!

Samuel Klein, 10/09/2018 23:27:

Do we have data on "# of speakers of language X who don't speak a better-covered lang as a secondary language"?

I usually have a very hard time finding such data from official/reliable sources, even for EU languages. (I usually search for CLDR purposes.)

Federico

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