You can't get ISI to index your journal until it has a reputation that they can verify. This can easily take years.
ISI-index for journals is a disease anyways. Many non-US academic inst. use it as a mark for good quality journals and for promotion cases require ISI indexed journal publication counts. When in fact, many high quality journals are not indexed by ISI. ACM TOCHI wasn't indexed until 2007-ish, in fact, as an example, and it is the premier journal in HCI.
I personally find no meaning in ISI indexing, and often once a journal gets indexed by ISI, they attract a ton of submissions that are low quality, making more work for editorial boards.
--Ed
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- Re: Open-Access journals for papers about wikis (Dariusz Jemielniak)
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 09:45:13 +0200 From: Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] Open-Access journals for papers about wikis Message-ID: <CADeSpGVdL_8x8OicEZ=+Z2xr9GVDx8R-8HgW= g9oVGUNjTDyyA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
hi,
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Samuel Klein sj@wikimedia.org wrote:
I've been thinking recently that we should start this journal. There
isn't an obvious candidate, despite some of the amazing research that's been done, and the extreme
transparency that allows much deeper work to be done on wiki communities
in the future.
I'll gladly help and support the idea. I think that just as Mathieu pointed out, The Journal of Peer Production is a good candidate, since it is already out there and running (even if low on the radar). Otherwise, there can be of course a journal dedicated to wiki-related work, it is quite easy to set it up (e.g. on Open Journal Systems platform). The key is not setting up a journal, since this is an easy part, but building a community that would regularly read it and contribute. In this sense Wikipedia may be a good common ground.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Piotr Konieczny piokon@post.pl wrote:
So what does it take to get a journal indexed in ISI?
The procedure is quite lengthy and not entirely transparent. In short, you request being reviewed and from issue X onwards they check how often an average article from the journal is cited in other ISI journals. If you go above the threshold, you're in. The problem is that Thomson arbitrarily decides whether they want to audit a journal, arbitrarily calculates what constitutes an "article" (yes, it is not clear - some journals have editorials counted, some don't, in some cases Thomson calculates the citations for non-articles, but does not include the number of non-articles in the equation. Scientific, right? ;) invited articles count... or not, research notes - same, etc.). Oh, and also Thomson arbitrarily may or may not punish by banning you from ISI for real or imaginary manipulations (such as inbreed citations - some editors encourage citing other articles from the same journal, since they count like any others from the ISI list). There's actually a whole body of literature on journal rankings. Still, this is the game we have to play.
One key factor in getting ISI is a community to drive the journal - if Wikipedia research community was widely willing to support one new journal, received updates etc., it would likely get cited and go off the ground (the case of "The Academy of Management Learning and Education" - on the ISI 2 years after the first issue, if I remember correctly).
Btw, CSCW is on ISI list, but is not open access.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.com wrote:
Growing WikiSym into an open conference
unfortunately, this does not help in some fields. For instance, in management/organization studies conference papers don't count at all, so actually there is a strong incentive not to go to a conference such as WikiSym, since it results in wasting a paper you cannot really publish in way that would count. European RAEs rely more and more heavily on ISI and on ERIH rankings, so also non-ranked journals do not count anymore.
best,
dariusz
Message: 2 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 11:12:11 +0200 From: emijrp emijrp@gmail.com To: darekj@alk.edu.pl, Research into Wikimedia content and communities wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] Open-Access journals for papers about wikis Message-ID: <CAPgALA5psCsodkfQsOsB= 04MHLJ4TkV9B8QfYBaowx_ML2hNSA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
The idea of creating a journal just for wikis is highly seductive for me.The "pillars" might be:
- peer-reviewed, but publish a list of rejected papers and the reviewers
comments
- open-access (CC-BY-SA)
- ask always for the datasets and offer them to download, the same for the
developed software used in the research
- encourage authors to publish early, publish often (as in free software)
- supported by donations
And... we can open a wiki where those who want can write papers in a collaborative and public way. You can start a new paper with colleagues or ask for volunteers authors interested in joining to your idea. When authors think that paper is finished and stable, they submit it to the journal and it is peer-reviewed again and published or discarded and returned to the wiki for improvements.
Perhaps we may join efforts with the Wikimedia Research Newsletter? And start a page in meta:? ; )
2012/9/15 Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl
hi,
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Samuel Klein sj@wikimedia.org wrote:
I've been thinking recently that we should start this journal. There
isn't an obvious candidate, despite some of the amazing research that's been done, and the extreme
transparency that allows much deeper work to be done on wiki
communities
in the future.
I'll gladly help and support the idea. I think that just as Mathieu pointed out, The Journal of Peer Production is a good candidate, since it is already out there and running (even if low on the radar). Otherwise, there can be of course a journal dedicated to wiki-related work, it is quite easy to set it up (e.g. on Open Journal Systems platform). The key is not setting up a journal, since this is an easy part, but building a community that would regularly read it and contribute. In this sense Wikipedia may be a good common ground.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Piotr Konieczny piokon@post.pl wrote:
So what does it take to get a journal indexed in ISI?
The procedure is quite lengthy and not entirely transparent. In short, you request being reviewed and from issue X onwards they check how often an average article from the journal is cited in other ISI journals. If you go above the threshold, you're in. The problem is that Thomson arbitrarily decides whether they want to audit a journal, arbitrarily calculates what constitutes an "article" (yes, it is not clear - some journals have editorials counted, some don't, in some cases Thomson calculates the citations for non-articles, but does not include the number of non-articles in the equation. Scientific, right? ;) invited articles count... or not, research notes - same, etc.). Oh, and also Thomson arbitrarily may or may not punish by banning you from ISI for real or imaginary manipulations (such as inbreed citations - some editors encourage citing other articles from the same journal, since they count like any others from the ISI list). There's actually a whole body of literature on journal rankings. Still, this is the game we have to play.
One key factor in getting ISI is a community to drive the journal - if Wikipedia research community was widely willing to support one new journal, received updates etc., it would likely get cited and go off the ground (the case of "The Academy of Management Learning and Education" - on the ISI 2 years after the first issue, if I remember correctly).
Btw, CSCW is on ISI list, but is not open access.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.com wrote:
Growing WikiSym into an open conference
unfortunately, this does not help in some fields. For instance, in management/organization studies conference papers don't count at all, so actually there is a strong incentive not to go to a conference such as WikiSym, since it results in wasting a paper you cannot really publish in way that would count. European RAEs rely more and more heavily on ISI and on ERIH rankings, so also non-ranked journals do not count anymore.
best,
dariusz
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