Hear, hear.
I've been hesitant to get involved in this discussion because it seemed like it was constantly on the verge of a flame war.
From all I've seen, Audrey's proposal has been submitted for RCom review
correctly and her actions have not been disruptive.
RCom's documentation is lacking and somewhat convoluted, sure. We're all volunteers here. We're also still working out the details. Any insights into where that documentation is lacking is really helpful. Bold edits are really helpful too.
It sounds like a formal, publicized requirement for RCom approval for recruitment of individual participants should be discussed at the next RCom meeting. I intend to make sure that happens. In the meantime, if someone who is more excited about the issue would like to open an RFC (on enwiki preferably, since meta isn't well read), I'd be very happy to participate. I'd humbly offer my work on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Subject_Recruitment_Approvals_Group and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Research&oldid=36196... as an example of one possible approach.
-Aaron User:EpochFail
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.plwrote:
Dear James,
Instead of apologizing for your lie with which you attempted to impugn my integrity, you have been trying to cover it up with rhetoric.
Is that behavior considered acceptable at the Wikimedia Foundation?
as a bystander non-involved in this particular issue, I find your rhetoric quite inflammatory. When you repeatedly speak of lies and attempts to impugn your integrity, you really do not encourage people to help you (even if you're right, which I doubt from perusing the diffs and the discussion). Quite honestly, I'd be quite skeptical about clearing out a project of a researcher who in the process of negotiating help and access to limited resources (after all, there is only X number of projects that can be addressed to Wikipedians) so confrontational. No offense meant.
best,
dariusz a.k.a. "pundit"
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On Mar 19, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Aaron Halfaker wrote:
It sounds like a formal, publicized requirement for RCom approval for recruitment of individual participants should be discussed at the next RCom meeting. I intend to make sure that happens. In the meantime, if someone who is more excited about the issue would like to open an RFC (on enwiki preferably, since meta isn't well read), I'd be very happy to participate. I'd humbly offer my work on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Subject_Recruitment_Approvals_Group and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Research&oldid=36196... as an example of one possible approach.
This is a wonderful start, Aaron :) I would just add that right now the process is very much focused on quantitative research processes but it would be important to also imagine how this might fit into a qualitative / ethnographic research approaches as well. Permission processes should perhaps ask researchers to specify which methods they're using. Recruiting 10-20 editors over the course of a few months through wiki mail or on talk pages, for example, will look very different from large scale random sampling of editors across specific criteria.
Best, Heather.
-Aaron User:EpochFail
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl wrote: Dear James,
Instead of apologizing for your lie with which you attempted to impugn my integrity, you have been trying to cover it up with rhetoric.
Is that behavior considered acceptable at the Wikimedia Foundation?
as a bystander non-involved in this particular issue, I find your rhetoric quite inflammatory. When you repeatedly speak of lies and attempts to impugn your integrity, you really do not encourage people to help you (even if you're right, which I doubt from perusing the diffs and the discussion). Quite honestly, I'd be quite skeptical about clearing out a project of a researcher who in the process of negotiating help and access to limited resources (after all, there is only X number of projects that can be addressed to Wikipedians) so confrontational. No offense meant.
best,
dariusz a.k.a. "pundit"
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