For some reason I am listed as a moderator on this mailing list. I do read it, but I seldom have time to do moderation tasks. If there is another moderator, perhaps he or she could remove me from moderation? If there is no other moderator, perhaps we need one?
On Feb 5, 2008 11:28 AM, Jimmy Wales jwales@wikia.com wrote:
For some reason I am listed as a moderator on this mailing list. I do read it, but I seldom have time to do moderation tasks. If there is another moderator, perhaps he or she could remove me from moderation? If there is no other moderator, perhaps we need one?
Officially, you seem to be the only list administrator. The question is probably rather, whether anyone besides you has also got the list password ;-)
Michael
If you are thinking about adding a moderator, I will be happy to act as such for this list. I usually read it, it's useful and it does not have an excessive amount of traffic, so I would like to actively contribute to maintain it.
Regards,
Felipe Ortega.
Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com escribió: On Feb 5, 2008 11:28 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote:
For some reason I am listed as a moderator on this mailing list. I do read it, but I seldom have time to do moderation tasks. If there is another moderator, perhaps he or she could remove me from moderation? If there is no other moderator, perhaps we need one?
Officially, you seem to be the only list administrator. The question is probably rather, whether anyone besides you has also got the list password ;-)
Michael
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I already moderate the WikiSym wiki research list, which is equally low traffic, so I can offer to take this one on too. --Dirk
On Feb 5, 2008 2:28 AM, Jimmy Wales jwales@wikia.com wrote:
For some reason I am listed as a moderator on this mailing list. I do read it, but I seldom have time to do moderation tasks. If there is another moderator, perhaps he or she could remove me from moderation? If there is no other moderator, perhaps we need one?
Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
On Feb 5, 2008 10:56 PM, Dirk Riehle dirk@riehle.org wrote:
I already moderate the WikiSym wiki research list, which is equally low traffic, so I can offer to take this one on too. --Dirk
I'd kinda like this list to be slightly more active - currently it's a bit more of an announce list. I'd like to develop a community of researchers who can share ideas, experiences, critiques etc., but I wonder if a mailing list is the best way though. The obvious question arises: how about a wiki? I'd like to offer Wikiversity [1] as a place where people interested could work and see what other people are working on - not replacing this list but augmenting it. Though if anyone has other ideas for a suitable medium or space, I'd love to hear them...
Cheers, Cormac
[1] English Wikiversity: http://en.wikiversity.org ; Multilingual portal < http://www.wikiversity.org%3E
Hi Cormac, hi everbody
I am new to this list and would appreciate sharing ideas / being part of such a research community.
As far as I see there are allready several wikis that try to collect persons involved in research:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedistik
and projects: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research/Research_Projects
Greetings
Marc Schwenzer
On 06.02.2008, at 10:29, Cormac Lawler wrote:
On Feb 5, 2008 10:56 PM, Dirk Riehle dirk@riehle.org wrote: I already moderate the WikiSym wiki research list, which is equally low traffic, so I can offer to take this one on too. --Dirk
I'd kinda like this list to be slightly more active - currently it's a bit more of an announce list. I'd like to develop a community of researchers who can share ideas, experiences, critiques etc., but I wonder if a mailing list is the best way though. The obvious question arises: how about a wiki? I'd like to offer Wikiversity [1] as a place where people interested could work and see what other people are working on - not replacing this list but augmenting it. Though if anyone has other ideas for a suitable medium or space, I'd love to hear them...
Cheers, Cormac
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I talk to wiki researchers fairly often -- both people who are involved in projects already documented onwiki and people starting up new ones in universities, etc -- and I usually suggest that they use wiki-research-l as a way to get feedback on their ideas. I'm often told though that it doesn't seem very useful, because the list is so low traffic! Seems like kind of a chicken-and-egg problem.
It would be nice to have a dedicated spot to collect research studies/documentation/work (maybe Wikiversity is the right spot?) since right now it is spread out over several wikipedias, meta, and other wikis besides. But a mailing list can also be helpful -- though it seems like the main questions that gets asked and answered is "are the wikipedia dumps up yet?" "anyone have one I can get?" etc. Maybe we need a research FAQ! :)
-- phoebe
On Feb 6, 2008 5:35 AM, Marc Schwenzer hkiws@gmx.de wrote:
Hi Cormac, hi everbody
I am new to this list and would appreciate sharing ideas / being part of such a research community.
As far as I see there are allready several wikis that try to collect persons involved in research:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedistik
and projects: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research/Research_Projects
Greetings
Marc Schwenzer
On 06.02.2008, at 10:29, Cormac Lawler wrote:
On Feb 5, 2008 10:56 PM, Dirk Riehle dirk@riehle.org wrote:
I already moderate the WikiSym wiki research list, which is equally low traffic, so I can offer to take this one on too. --Dirk
I'd kinda like this list to be slightly more active - currently it's a bit more of an announce list. I'd like to develop a community of researchers who can share ideas, experiences, critiques etc., but I wonder if a mailing list is the best way though. The obvious question arises: how about a wiki? I'd like to offer Wikiversity [1] as a place where people interested could work and see what other people are working on - not replacing this list but augmenting it. Though if anyone has other ideas for a suitable medium or space, I'd love to hear them...
Cheers, Cormac
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phoebe ayers wrote:
It would be nice to have a dedicated spot to collect research studies/documentation/work (maybe Wikiversity is the right spot?) since right now it is spread out over several wikipedias, meta, and other wikis besides.
About a year ago I have collected most of Wikipedia related research at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_in_academic_studies but since than few have updated the page. In the end, it is a community resource just as any wiki is: if nobody wants to do it, we will not have such a database. It's that simple. So I invite everyone to contribute to that page; being on Wikipedia is has the known set of advantages - it benefits from Wikipedia fame and snowball effect (can you name other wiki research databases off the top of your head?), it will never disappear, we all (should) know how to add to it, it is watched over by a significant community, etc.
On Feb 7, 2008 5:10 AM, Piotr Konieczny piokon@post.pl wrote:
phoebe ayers wrote:
It would be nice to have a dedicated spot to collect research studies/documentation/work (maybe Wikiversity is the right spot?) since right now it is spread out over several wikipedias, meta, and other wikis besides.
About a year ago I have collected most of Wikipedia related research at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_in_academic_studies but since than few have updated the page. In the end, it is a community resource just as any wiki is: if nobody wants to do it, we will not have such a database. It's that simple. So I invite everyone to contribute to that page; being on Wikipedia is has the known set of advantages - it benefits from Wikipedia fame and snowball effect (can you name other wiki research databases off the top of your head?), it will never disappear, we all (should) know how to add to it, it is watched over by a significant community, etc.
There's a broader page on meta: < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Research_Bibliography%3E but the best wiki bibliography by far is at http://biblography.wikimedia.de which unfortunately seems to be down at the moment. Wikiversity would just not compete as a bibliography (it lacks the funky search algorithms) - though we could import the meta page and start developing it as a part of a wider wiki research agenda. Wikiversity would be a good place for a workspace - but I'm not sure if Felipe was thinking of something more advanced (ie with wiki and other knowledge base features) as a "one stop shop".
Cormac
Thank you Cormac!
I know of 4 lists, perhaps there are even some more: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Research_Bibliography http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedistik http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_in_academic_studies
http://bibliography.wikimedia.de/index.php was another source that seems to be down by now
I guess first of all the overhead of keeping serveral lists / databases has to be reduced by linking all to the same page. I think it won't matter then where it is located. Which is the most actual and sorted list?
Greetings
Marc
On 07.02.2008, at 10:03, Cormac Lawler wrote:
On Feb 7, 2008 5:10 AM, Piotr Konieczny piokon@post.pl wrote: phoebe ayers wrote:
It would be nice to have a dedicated spot to collect research studies/documentation/work (maybe Wikiversity is the right spot?) since right now it is spread out over several wikipedias, meta, and other wikis besides.
About a year ago I have collected most of Wikipedia related research at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_in_academic_studies but since than few have updated the page. In the end, it is a community resource just as any wiki is: if nobody wants to do it, we will not have such a database. It's that simple. So I invite everyone to contribute to that page; being on Wikipedia is has the known set of advantages - it benefits from Wikipedia fame and snowball effect (can you name other wiki research databases off the top of your head?), it will never disappear, we all (should) know how to add to it, it is watched over by a significant community, etc.
There's a broader page on meta: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Research_Bibliography
but the best wiki bibliography by far is at <http://biblography.wikimedia.de which unfortunately seems to be down at the moment. Wikiversity
would just not compete as a bibliography (it lacks the funky search algorithms) - though we could import the meta page and start developing it as a part of a wider wiki research agenda. Wikiversity would be a good place for a workspace - but I'm not sure if Felipe was thinking of something more advanced (ie with wiki and other knowledge base features) as a "one stop shop".
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Hello All
As I'm currently working on my major thesis about extracting a multilingual thesaurus from wikipedia data, I have collected quite a bit of research resources about wikipedia. Here are a few links:
* My Wikipedia Research link collection: http://del.icio.us/brightbyte/wikipedia%2Bresearch * Wikipedia tag on CiteULike: http://www.citeulike.org/tag/wikipedia * Wikipedia group on CiteULike: http://www.citeulike.org/group/382/library * My own wikipedia stuff there: http://www.citeulike.org/user/brightbyte/tag/wikipedia * Overview page for my thesis work: http://brightbyte.de/page/WikiWord
I hope this will be useful to someone. I mainly focused on Wikipedia as a resource for linguistic and semantical analysis.
As to having a central place to coordinate and discuss research: yes, that would be great. Though I'm also not sure of the best form. A good bibliography system would sure help, and wiki-style flexible creation of topic pages, and some sort of discussion system, and perhaps a "planet" style aggregated news feed? Ideally, all this could be provided by a single system - I have discussed my dreams about a Bibliography Thing / research platform a few weeks ago here: http://brightbyte.de/page/The_Bibliography_Thing
Regards, Daniel Kinzler, aka Duesentrieb, aka BrightByte
Hi, All.
I think the aclwiki has potential to cover papers and software related to Wiki and science.
Best regards, Andrew Krizhanovsky.
Andrew Krizhanovsky wrote:
I think the aclwiki has potential to cover papers and software related to Wiki and science.
While that wiki looks quite relevant for the type of wiki(pedia) research *I* am doing (thanks for the link), I don't think it would be the right place for general "Wikipedia studies". Wikipedia studies can be about the social and psychological aspects of working on a wiki, or about technical issues, like syntax-independent storage of wikitext or decentralizing wiki infrastructure, among other things. So, a wiki focused on linguistics wouldn't be the right place, IMHO.
-- Daniel
Hello all,
I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but there is a mailing list about wiki research at large (not just wikipedia research).
wiki-research@wikisym.org
There is also an annual conference called WikiSym, which is also about wiki research at large:
www.wikisym.org
It's a great conference (and I'm not just saying this because I chaired it last year ;-)) which will have its fourth instalment Sept 8-10 in Porto, Portugal. I encourage anyone who is into wiki research at large to consider publishing there.
Maybe WikiSym could have an open wiki space where people could post relevant content (ex: bibliographies). Dirk, does WikiSym have such a thing? If not, do you think it might be a good idea to have one?
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On Feb 7, 2008 6:55 AM, Desilets, Alain Alain.Desilets@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca wrote:
Hello all,
I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but there is a mailing list about wiki research at large (not just wikipedia research).
wiki-research@wikisym.org
thanks Alain! Do you think the two lists overlap much, though? Though this list is titled 'Research into Wikimedia content and communities' there's a lot of things applicable to non-Wikimedia research; and by extension much wiki research focuses on Wikipedia et al :)
I like the idea of Wikiversity as a centralized place because it's a stable wiki (wikimedia is committed to hosting it forever) but it also gets us away from the focus on just "wikipedia" research, even within the wikimedia community.
-- phoebe
thanks Alain! Do you think the two lists overlap much, though? Though this list is titled 'Research into Wikimedia content and communities' there's a lot of things applicable to non-Wikimedia research; and by extension much wiki research focuses on Wikipedia et al :)
Yes, there is a lot of overlap. I subscribe to both lists. Just wanted to point out that there was another one.
I like the idea of Wikiversity as a centralized place because it's a stable wiki (wikimedia is committed to hosting it forever) but it also gets us away from the focus on just "wikipedia" research, even within the wikimedia community.
That would be a good place too.
Alain
I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but there is a mailing list about wiki research at large (not just wikipedia research).
wiki-research@wikisym.org
thanks Alain! Do you think the two lists overlap much, though? Though this list is titled 'Research into Wikimedia content and communities' there's a lot of things applicable to non-Wikimedia research; and by extension much wiki research focuses on Wikipedia et al :)
Well, one reason the Wiki Symposium exists is because there is much wiki stuff (research, practice, standards, etc.) outside the Wikimedia scope!
I think some overlap is natural as Wikimedia issues are wiki issues too. However, unless you explicitly change the scope of this list to be generally about wikis and not just Wikimedia related, I'd keep the two wiki research lists separate.
Cheers, Dirk
Dirk Riehle wrote:
Well, one reason the Wiki Symposium exists is because there is much wiki stuff (research, practice, standards, etc.) outside the Wikimedia scope!
I think some overlap is natural as Wikimedia issues are wiki issues too. However, unless you explicitly change the scope of this list to be generally about wikis and not just Wikimedia related, I'd keep the two wiki research lists separate.
Indeed, I agree with that. A sublist of Wikipedia research is large enough and specialized enough to exist separately; hence - two lists make sense.
I wonder if there are any other non-Wikipedia sublists of wiki research that have emerged/are likely to emerge?
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Dirk Riehle dirk@riehle.org wrote:
I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but there is a mailing
list about wiki research at large (not just wikipedia research).
wiki-research@wikisym.org
thanks Alain! Do you think the two lists overlap much, though? Though this list is titled 'Research into Wikimedia content and communities' there's a lot of things applicable to non-Wikimedia research; and by extension much wiki research focuses on Wikipedia et al :)
Well, one reason the Wiki Symposium exists is because there is much wiki stuff (research, practice, standards, etc.) outside the Wikimedia scope!
I think some overlap is natural as Wikimedia issues are wiki issues too. However, unless you explicitly change the scope of this list to be generally about wikis and not just Wikimedia related, I'd keep the two wiki research lists separate.
Yes, two lists can happily coexist. However, as a shared workspace, I'd still like to have something that incorporates 'wiki-general' and 'Wikimedia-specific' research - and this can easily be started on Wikiversity (and can also be expanded into overlapping areas like "open educational resources", "online communities", "collaborative software development" etc etc). The Wikiversity research portal is at < http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Research%3E, and it's really not very good - we could start refactoring it, or developing a new page at, say, < http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Research/new%3E and merging them when we get a good structure together.
Cormac
Did you compare these hand-maintained lists with this:
http://www.bibsonomy.org/tag/wikipedia
While I'm a big fan of wikis and Wikipedia, obviously, sometimes specialized applications with the right incentive system can outperform a more general wiki-based approach.
My hunch is that Bibsonomy does that.
Dirk
On Feb 7, 2008 3:27 AM, Daniel Kinzler daniel@brightbyte.de wrote:
Hello All
As I'm currently working on my major thesis about extracting a multilingual thesaurus from wikipedia data, I have collected quite a bit of research resources about wikipedia. Here are a few links:
- My Wikipedia Research link collection:
http://del.icio.us/brightbyte/wikipedia%2Bresearch
- Wikipedia tag on CiteULike: http://www.citeulike.org/tag/wikipedia
- Wikipedia group on CiteULike: http://www.citeulike.org/group/382/library
- My own wikipedia stuff there:
http://www.citeulike.org/user/brightbyte/tag/wikipedia
- Overview page for my thesis work: http://brightbyte.de/page/WikiWord
I hope this will be useful to someone. I mainly focused on Wikipedia as a resource for linguistic and semantical analysis.
As to having a central place to coordinate and discuss research: yes, that would be great. Though I'm also not sure of the best form. A good bibliography system would sure help, and wiki-style flexible creation of topic pages, and some sort of discussion system, and perhaps a "planet" style aggregated news feed? Ideally, all this could be provided by a single system - I have discussed my dreams about a Bibliography Thing / research platform a few weeks ago here: http://brightbyte.de/page/The_Bibliography_Thing
Regards, Daniel Kinzler, aka Duesentrieb, aka BrightByte
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Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com escribió: Wikiversity would just not compete as a bibliography (it lacks the funky search algorithms) - though we could import the meta page and start developing it as a part of a wider wiki research agenda. Wikiversity would be a good place for a workspace - but I'm not sure if Felipe was thinking of something more advanced (ie with wiki and other knowledge base features) as a "one stop shop".
Cormac
I agree with Phoebe, Wikiversity could be a good place to start. But, as Cormac says, I'm thinking about a more complete solution, something like a "research planet", or more seriously, a research virtual community.
Besides the useful tools for searching through bibliography, there could be repositories with graphs, analyses, results, maybe even some databases with useful info for research about Wikipedia, helping other people to avoid starting from zero.
We could also have a forge (including SVN repositories for code projects, associated mailing lists, etc; the typical refinements) to develop research tools for Wikipedia, and also to create development/user/researcher communities around those projects.
Along with these benefits, (and sorry for being repetitive) the most important advantage in my view would be to have a central, clear and bidirectional communication point between Wikimedia Foundation and other research communities all over the world.
Of course, I also agree with Alain in that we should sindicate/mashup/collaborate with other wiki research spaces, starting with WikiSym. Perhaps, I'm proposing an augmented WikiForum, much in the same line, but including other cool enhancements.
We at URJC are involved in a very similar experience, creating a complete info repository for the European Open Source Observatory. IMHO, we should commit to a complete repository for researchers on Wikipedia, for them to collaborate effectively. Potential sinergies are simply too good to reject the opportunity.
Bests,
Felipe.
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Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com escribió: Wikiversity would be a good place for a workspace - but I'm not sure if Felipe was thinking of something more advanced (ie with wiki and other knowledge base features) as a "one stop shop".
Cormac
I agree with Phoebe and Cormac, Wikiversity could be a good place to start. But, as Cormac says, I'm thinking about a more complete solution, something like a "research planet", or more seriously, a research virtual community.
Besides the useful tools for searching through bibliography, there could be repositories with graphs, analyses, results, maybe even some databases with useful info for research about Wikipedia, helping other people to avoid starting from zero.
We could also have a forge (including SVN repositories for code projects, associated mailing lists, etc; the typical refinements) to develop research tools for Wikipedia, and also to create development/user/researcher communities around those projects.
Along with these benefits, (and sorry for being repetitive) the most important advantage in my view would be to have a central, clear and bidirectional communication point between Wikimedia Foundation and other research communities all over the world.
Of course, I also agree with Alain in that we should sindicate/mashup/collaborate with other wiki research spaces, starting with WikiSym. Perhaps, I'm proposing an augmented WikiForum, much in the same line, but including other cool enhancements.
We at URJC are involved in a very similar experience, creating a complete info repository for the European Open Source Observatory. IMHO, we should commit to a complete repository for researchers on Wikipedia, for them to collaborate effectively. Potential sinergies are simply too good to reject the opportunity.
Bests,
Felipe.
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Actually, we already thought about creating a common knowledge-share space, possibly based in wiki technology but with many other useful tools. It could integrate many research sources about Wikipedia, currently scattered all over the web:
* WikiResearch at meta.wikimedia * Wikimetrics at http://wm.sieheauch.de/, and other wiki bibliography sources (maybe, linked with Citeulike lists...). * A common forum to exchange ideas and resources for research about Wikipedia. * Most important thing: A common interface to ask Wikimedia Foundation for data sources. Wikimedia admins are (almost always) too busy to attend researchers' petititons. It's not rare to spend at least 3 months to obtain certain information sources, due to both contact and agreement delays. It's also frequent that certain common petitions show up again over time. With a central point to find resources, this problem would be mitigated, at least to some an extent point.
* Of course, a mailing-list would be also a benefit, possibly split into important subtopics: research-metrics, research-semantics, research-authoring...
Maybe Wikiversity could be a good starting point to integrate the whole thing.
Regards,
Felipe. Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com escribió: On Feb 5, 2008 10:56 PM, Dirk Riehle dirk@riehle.org wrote: I already moderate the WikiSym wiki research list, which is equally low traffic, so I can offer to take this one on too. --Dirk
I'd kinda like this list to be slightly more active - currently it's a bit more of an announce list. I'd like to develop a community of researchers who can share ideas, experiences, critiques etc., but I wonder if a mailing list is the best way though. The obvious question arises: how about a wiki? I'd like to offer Wikiversity [1] as a place where people interested could work and see what other people are working on - not replacing this list but augmenting it. Though if anyone has other ideas for a suitable medium or space, I'd love to hear them...
Cheers, Cormac
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Thanks Felipe and Marc, Meta has been a useful resource to a point - however, the only actual research project that it generated, [[m:General User Survey]], was never actually realised. Apart from this, it served as an organising space for the [[m:Wikimedia Research Network]], and [[m:Research]] was mostly used for researchers to add their name to the list with a brief description of their research. But I never felt a genuine community of researchers there (apart from the short-lived WRN) - and this is always what I have hoped for. This would be more than a knowledge-share space to me - it would be a place for people to form and reformulate questions, to critique one another's work, and possibly develop some collaborative research projects. The case you cite of people coming into Wikimedia with lots of similar questions only reinforces to me that such a space would be useful. However, the knowledge-sharing aspect is also essential, in order to document what is available, and what has been done before - and I'd like to know what other tools you think would be useful/necessary. Finding relevant literature becomes more and more important with the increasing amount of literature being churned out on wikis - this would be facilitated by focused searching of bibliographies, but the human (ie community) element also comes into it. So, it's really more a shared workspace than a knowledge bank that I'm thinking of. I'd be thrilled to start (or continue) work on such a space on Wikiversity if there is some interest from this list.
Cormac
On Feb 6, 2008 1:58 PM, Felipe Ortega glimmer_phoenix@yahoo.es wrote:
Actually, we already thought about creating a common knowledge-share space, possibly based in wiki technology but with many other useful tools. It could integrate many research sources about Wikipedia, currently scattered all over the web:
- WikiResearch at meta.wikimedia
- Wikimetrics at http://wm.sieheauch.de/, and other wiki bibliography
sources (maybe, linked with Citeulike lists...).
- A common forum to exchange ideas and resources for research about
Wikipedia.
- Most important thing: A common interface to ask Wikimedia Foundation for
data sources. Wikimedia admins are (almost always) too busy to attend researchers' petititons. It's not rare to spend at least 3 months to obtain certain information sources, due to both contact and agreement delays. It's also frequent that certain common petitions show up again over time. With a central point to find resources, this problem would be mitigated, at least to some an extent point.
- Of course, a mailing-list would be also a benefit, possibly split into
important subtopics: research-metrics, research-semantics, research-authoring...
Maybe Wikiversity could be a good starting point to integrate the whole thing.
Regards,
Felipe. *Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com* escribió:
On Feb 5, 2008 10:56 PM, Dirk Riehle dirk@riehle.org wrote:
I already moderate the WikiSym wiki research list, which is equally low traffic, so I can offer to take this one on too. --Dirk
I'd kinda like this list to be slightly more active - currently it's a bit more of an announce list. I'd like to develop a community of researchers who can share ideas, experiences, critiques etc., but I wonder if a mailing list is the best way though. The obvious question arises: how about a wiki? I'd like to offer Wikiversity [1] as a place where people interested could work and see what other people are working on - not replacing this list but augmenting it. Though if anyone has other ideas for a suitable medium or space, I'd love to hear them...
Cheers, Cormac
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Hi Cormac, I hope Wikiversity will be represented at the Open Education Symposium at Carnegie Mellon this spring. It's the first time a lot of major players in learning research are coming together to focus on OER. There's a lot of latent support in this community for open access that hasn't been tapped yet. I'm definitely going and looking forward to seeing what comes out of it.
http://www.cmu.edu/oli/symposium2008/index.shtml
Andrea
On Wed, Feb 6, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Felipe and Marc,
Meta has been a useful resource to a point - however, the only actual research project that it generated, [[m:General User Survey]], was never actually realised. Apart from this, it served as an organising space for the [[m:Wikimedia Research Network]], and [[m:Research]] was mostly used for researchers to add their name to the list with a brief description of their research. But I never felt a genuine community of researchers there (apart from the short-lived WRN) - and this is always what I have hoped for. This would be more than a knowledge-share space to me - it would be a place for people to form and reformulate questions, to critique one another's work, and possibly develop some collaborative research projects. The case you cite of people coming into Wikimedia with lots of similar questions only reinforces to me that such a space would be useful. However, the knowledge-sharing aspect is also essential, in order to document what is available, and what has been done before - and I'd like to know what other tools you think would be useful/necessary. Finding relevant literature becomes more and more important with the increasing amount of literature being churned out on wikis - this would be facilitated by focused searching of bibliographies, but the human (ie community) element also comes into it. So, it's really more a shared workspace than a knowledge bank that I'm thinking of. I'd be thrilled to start (or continue) work on such a space on Wikiversity if there is some interest from this list.
Cormac
On Feb 6, 2008 1:58 PM, Felipe Ortega glimmer_phoenix@yahoo.es wrote:
Actually, we already thought about creating a common knowledge-share
space, possibly based in wiki technology but with many other useful tools. It could integrate many research sources about Wikipedia, currently scattered all over the web:
- WikiResearch at meta.wikimedia
- Wikimetrics at http://wm.sieheauch.de/, and other wiki bibliography
sources (maybe, linked with Citeulike lists...).
- A common forum to exchange ideas and resources for research about
Wikipedia.
- Most important thing: A common interface to ask Wikimedia Foundation for
data sources. Wikimedia admins are (almost always) too busy to attend researchers' petititons. It's not rare to spend at least 3 months to obtain certain information sources, due to both contact and agreement delays. It's also frequent that certain common petitions show up again over time. With a central point to find resources, this problem would be mitigated, at least to some an extent point.
- Of course, a mailing-list would be also a benefit, possibly split into
important subtopics: research-metrics, research-semantics, research-authoring...
Maybe Wikiversity could be a good starting point to integrate the whole
thing.
Regards,
Felipe. Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com escribió:
On Feb 5, 2008 10:56 PM, Dirk Riehle dirk@riehle.org wrote:
I already moderate the WikiSym wiki research list, which is equally low traffic, so I can offer to take this one on too. --Dirk
I'd kinda like this list to be slightly more active - currently it's a bit
more of an announce list. I'd like to develop a community of researchers who can share ideas, experiences, critiques etc., but I wonder if a mailing list is the best way though. The obvious question arises: how about a wiki? I'd like to offer Wikiversity [1] as a place where people interested could work and see what other people are working on - not replacing this list but augmenting it. Though if anyone has other ideas for a suitable medium or space, I'd love to hear them...
Cheers, Cormac
[1] English Wikiversity: http://en.wikiversity.org ; Multilingual portal
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