Thanks Ward -- very useful! It would be interesting to run it again on a recent dump and to find whether certain categories are getting better video treatment, though the set Fascinating that in about 2.5 years, the number of videos in that category has not changed much. By coincidence, I was looking at a 2009 blog post I had about Encarta and Wikipedia's lack of video/multimedia. "There is a loss to the world with the absence of Encarta’s historic images [and video]. Because Wikipedia has a strict “free” edict on content, especially images and multimedia, it will always be at a disadvantage in having visuals that are unique and under copyright protection. For that, the community will have to wait until copyright runs out on those materials. Technology may be fast, but that’s one area that will be slow." -Andrew On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Ward Cunningham <ward(a)c2.com> wrote:

I don't know that I add that category when I do add videos to articles myself. One solution would be to narrow a scope to a select list of articles around a topic/wikiproject like Roads, Sports, medicine, and then conduct a search for .ogv, .ogg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netball , http://topsy.com/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roller_derby , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Jackson , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_O%27Hea , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra_Capitals , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Graf , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianna_Tolo all have video in there. I think there are some limitations with video that are also worth discussing: Is it better to have a quality picture of Marianna Tolo in the article? Or is it better to have lesser quality video in the article? I believe the maximum upload size on Commons is 100mb. There is no streaming. This creates a major wall to sharing this type of content in an article and making a video illustrative of a point. (The video in the roller derby article for example illustrates safety in roller derby. Tolo video illustrates her playing in a game. If you're a French fan of her, you might want to see what she played like in Australia, especially since Australian games were not televised in France.) On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Ward Cunningham <ward(a)c2.com> wrote: -- mobile: 0412183663 twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Ward Cunningham <ward(a)c2.com> wrote: My understanding is that the only real video file format that works on Commons is .ogg (and .ogv), but you run into the issue of picking up sound files. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoken_articles is the biggest example of where I think you'd run into false positives with the sound file issue using that as a search phrase. Music articles are probably another... because I'm pretty sure audio files are still limited to .ogg and .oga given licensing limitations because of non-CC compliant codecs being used for formats like .mp3. I tend to create project by project lists so I can do comparisons as I'm less interested in the actual total volume, and more interested in seeing how things differ from one group to another. There might be a good reason why you don't have much data or why numbers have gone up if looking at things say based on Wikiproject or category inclusion. (Maybe videos from older movies suddenly came into public domain and with support of a GLAM donation, a major effort was made to include these into articles. Maybe the Wiki Loves Monuments people opened up video and people made a big push to include their monument videos into articles.) Approaching the research question from a what is going on and how can this be explained seems a better way to contextualize data to understand why things are moving. Not a worry. Just a side point. -- mobile: 0412183663 twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Ward Cunningham <ward(a)c2.com> wrote: On a sport level, I'd hazard a guess that Australia has more videos in use on their sporting related pages (or more videos of Australian sport are used on general pages) because unlike the United States, you cannot copyright an event. Hence, you can make recordings at professional sporting matches without as much fear. Size limitations are a PITA though, which is why I personally haven't uploaded more. If you have high quality video at 70 to 100 meg, and then you have metered internet with only 20 gigs a month, how much high quality video do you want to be uploading? Hence yeah, the importance of meta data. I tend to use much smaller data sets. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HOPAU_at_London_Paralympics.pdf and http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IPC_NorAmCup.pdf are examples of contextualizing and understanding where content work around events works in order to give GLAMs an understanding of the impact of such undertakings, especially if they can contextualize it against their own internal data. It often isn't the single data collection that matters but contextualizing it against others. (How does Wikipedia traffic compare around an event compared to say a news site? Which one has further audience reach? How does the total editor contributions compare to the total comments?) Sincerely, Laura Hale -- mobile: 0412183663 twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Andrew Lih <andrew.lih(a)gmail.com> wrote: It would be awesome to see more video, but the technical end really needs to improve on some level. Ditto with the audio. There was a discussion at one point about putting a video on the front page of English Wikipedia as a DYK picture. (HJ Mitchell nominated it I think. The video was from a cartoon and was public domain.) It ran because the image was in public domain. It had an outstanding number of views. The problem is yeah... local download required. I believe even if you resize the file like "200px", the video itself isn't "resized" so taking a 1000px wide video that is 100megs, putting it into an article as 200px still requires a 100megs upload. Beyond that, no size warnings or warnings anywhere that you're doing essentially a local download, not streaming. I've talked a number of sport organisations about video, and they can be used to great effect when used properly. I have a few myself of skiers. Seeing a picture of a blind skier and their guide kind of looks cool but hearing the guide call out instructions to the blind skier and watching them go down the mountain together could make the point about http://enwp.org/Para-alpine_skiing much more effective in terms of understanding that part of the sport. They see the value but the push isn't there. I probably need to get a few really successful examples. The picture part is easy enough. The use of video has also been something we've actively discussed on English Wikinews. As one of the primary users of ogg sound files and people who does on the ground original reporting, it would be fantastic to have an editor that would easily allow us to put together a video more easily. There are just a lot of technical challenges, including the file format. (That said, I absolutely love https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fire-2-field-recorder/id436241643?mt=8 this application for the iPhone and iPad. It basically allows for recording in ogg. We've got it set up on Wikinews when we do mobile reporting that we can then upload these files locally to speed up writing time through the use of Dropbox. We're working on a tool that will then build in the licenses for uploading to further ease this problem. It's been incredibly effective for reviewers who sometimes face problems downloading from Commons.) -- mobile: 0412183663 twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Erik Moeller <erik(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: Very awesome and good to know. :) Now if I could just find an encoder from my end, things would be pretty good. :D Sincerely, Laura Hale -- twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com

Federico, thanks for the note and good idea on reaching out to the Toolserver folks to help us track this. As for the WebM and pros, from my understanding YouTube is transcoding all videos that are uploaded into WebM format. However, I'd be very surprised if even 2% of YouTube uploaders are using WebM as the format. Most likely they are MP4, AVCHD, MOV, or even raw MTS files. So perhaps it's more accurate to say WebM not used by video pros in their workflow. I'll clarify in the document now. In the meantime, check out some of the videos produced from our Feb/March pilot with Alverno College. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video#Sample_… -Andrew On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: