Stuart, this is permissible per Wiley's terms of use - "Authorized Users may also transmit such material to a third-party colleague in hard copy or electronically for personal use or scholarly, educational, or scientific research or professional use". Nicole

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Stuart A. Yeates syeates@gmail.com wrote:

I have to say that a WMF staffer using their official WMF account to ask community members to commit copyright infringement is not a good look.

cheers stuart -- ...let us be heard from red core to black sky

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Jonathan Morgan jmorgan@wikimedia.org wrote:

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http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jcom.12123/abstract

"What Creates Interactivity in Online News Discussions? An Exploratory Analysis of Discussion Factors in User Comments on News Items"

If you have access, and can send me a PDF offline, I would be very

grateful

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:)

Cheers, Jonathan

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This being the research list-serv, I made an assumption, but you do make a good point.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Stuart A. Yeates syeates@gmail.com wrote:

I think you mean "might have been permissible, if the original request had included the intended use".

cheers stuart

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On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Nicole Askin naskin2@alumni.uwo.ca wrote:

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Stuart, this is permissible per Wiley's terms of use - "Authorized Users

may

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also transmit such material to a third-party colleague in hard copy or electronically for personal use or scholarly, educational, or scientific research or professional use". Nicole

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I have to say that a WMF staffer using their official WMF account to ask community members to commit copyright infringement is not a good look.

cheers stuart -- ...let us be heard from red core to black sky

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Jonathan Morgan <jmorgan@wikimedia.org

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wrote:

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http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jcom.12123/abstract

"What Creates Interactivity in Online News Discussions? An Exploratory Analysis of Discussion Factors in User Comments on News Items"

If you have access, and can send me a PDF offline, I would be very grateful :)

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I have to say that a WMF staffer using their official WMF account to imply they're doing legitimate work to study, understand and improve community dynamics is not a good look

Cheers, Oliver

On 1 April 2015 at 18:02, Jonathan Morgan jmorgan@wikimedia.org wrote:

Well, I was going to print out a bunch of copies and then sell them down on the corner, but I guess now I'll just use it to inform the development of a coding scheme for rating civility in Wikipedia talkpage comments.

• J

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Stuart A. Yeates syeates@gmail.com wrote:

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I think you mean "might have been permissible, if the original request had included the intended use".

cheers stuart

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On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Nicole Askin naskin2@alumni.uwo.ca wrote:

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Stuart, this is permissible per Wiley's terms of use - "Authorized Users may also transmit such material to a third-party colleague in hard copy or electronically for personal use or scholarly, educational, or scientific research or professional use". Nicole

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Stuart A. Yeates syeates@gmail.com wrote:

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I have to say that a WMF staffer using their official WMF account to ask community members to commit copyright infringement is not a good look.

cheers stuart -- ...let us be heard from red core to black sky

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Jonathan Morgan jmorgan@wikimedia.org wrote:

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http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jcom.12123/abstract

"What Creates Interactivity in Online News Discussions? An Exploratory Analysis of Discussion Factors in User Comments on News Items"

If you have access, and can send me a PDF offline, I would be very grateful :)

Cheers, Jonathan

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Okay, I'll only encourage illegal activity from my personal email from now on.

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On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Stuart A. Yeates syeates@gmail.com wrote:

I have to say that a WMF staffer using their official WMF account to ask community members to commit copyright infringement is not a good look.

cheers stuart -- ...let us be heard from red core to black sky

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Jonathan Morgan jmorgan@wikimedia.org wrote:

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http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jcom.12123/abstract

"What Creates Interactivity in Online News Discussions? An Exploratory Analysis of Discussion Factors in User Comments on News Items"

If you have access, and can send me a PDF offline, I would be very

grateful

...

:)

Cheers, Jonathan

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I too would love to receive a copy. While searching, I discovered this FirstMonday article which seems related: http://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2826/2814

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Daniel Moyer moyerd@usc.edu wrote:

Sent!

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Jonathan Morgan jmorgan@wikimedia.org wrote:

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http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jcom.12123/abstract

*"What Creates Interactivity in Online News Discussions? An Exploratory Analysis of Discussion Factors in User Comments on News Items"*

If you have access, and can send me a PDF offline, I would be very grateful :)

Cheers, Jonathan

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Fabian,

I talked with Amanda Menking about this once, about a year ago. But no, I don't believe there has been any academic work on the issue (another consequence of our over-focus on enwiki).

Mako Hill and Aaron Shaw presented a paper on redirects at WikiSym last year, and their enwiki corpus & methodology http://communitydata.cc/wiki-redirects/ could help you or others extend that line of research into gendered languages: http://mako.cc/academic/hill_shaw-consider_the_redirect.pdf

Hope that helps!

- Jonathan

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Flöck, Fabian Fabian.Floeck@gesis.org wrote:

Does anyone know about a study that looks at how often for example articles about a profession use the male instead of the female form as the name (female form doesn't exist or is just a redirect)? Could also be about any other article titles that can take male/female forms.

It would probably not be a so much of an issue for English, but rather Spanish, German, Russian etc. Concrete example: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor exists in German, but https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professorin is just a redirect.

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Jonathan, Max, thanks for the pointers! I found the Reagle/Rhue as well, but like you said, it's only one smaller aspect of their data handling, so not exactly what I'm looking for.

Fabian

On 06.04.2015, at 20:37, Maximilian Klein <isalix@gmail.commailto:isalix@gmail.com> wrote:

Reagle and Rhue used this technique to augment their data in 2010, but I'm not sure their study will give you exactly what you want:

"amendable to guesses based on honorifics (e.g., Count vs. Countess) and given names." http://ijoc.org/index.php/ijoc/article/view/777/631

Make a great day, Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Jonathan Morgan <jmorgan@wikimedia.orgmailto:jmorgan@wikimedia.org> wrote: Fabian,

I talked with Amanda Menking about this once, about a year ago. But no, I don't believe there has been any academic work on the issue (another consequence of our over-focus on enwiki).

Mako Hill and Aaron Shaw presented a paper on redirects at WikiSym last year, and their enwiki corpus & methodologyhttp://communitydata.cc/wiki-redirects/ could help you or others extend that line of research into gendered languages: http://mako.cc/academic/hill_shaw-consider_the_redirect.pdf

Hope that helps!

- Jonathan

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Flöck, Fabian <Fabian.Floeck@gesis.orgmailto:Fabian.Floeck@gesis.org> wrote: Does anyone know about a study that looks at how often for example articles about a profession use the male instead of the female form as the name (female form doesn't exist or is just a redirect)? Could also be about any other article titles that can take male/female forms.

It would probably not be a so much of an issue for English, but rather Spanish, German, Russian etc. Concrete example: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor exists in German, but https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professorin is just a redirect.

Cheers, Fabian

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Interesting, thanks Mark!

- Fabian

On 07.04.2015, at 16:38, Mark J.Nelson <mjn@anadrome.orgmailto:mjn@anadrome.org> wrote:

Flöck, Fabian <Fabian.Floeck@gesis.orgmailto:Fabian.Floeck@gesis.org> writes:

Does anyone know about a study that looks at how often for example articles about a profession use the male instead of the female form as the name (female form doesn't exist or is just a redirect)?

It would probably not be a so much of an issue for English, but rather Spanish, German, Russian etc. Concrete example: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor exists in German, but https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professorin is just a redirect.

One thing to be careful of in such a study (though I would also like to see it!) is tha the politics and preferences in this area vary widely across languages, and sometimes within a language, so a purely data-driven study has to be careful about its assumptions and generalizations.

Below a long-ish discussion of Greek that you may skip if not interested (it ended up longer-winded than I had expected):

For example in Greek it is very profession-specific whether the trend is towards using a slashed form of both genders, or towards convergence on a single form that applies to both genders (sometimes with atypical morphology). Sometimes it depends on the specific word form and historical usage. In fields that historically had both men and women, both forms are very well established and tend to persist, e.g. a male teacher is a δάσκαλος and a female one is a δασκάλα. But in fields that were typically so male-dominated that only the masculine version has been in common use, there's disagreement over whether it's more progressive to "revive" a feminine form, or to generalize the masculine form to cover both genders. For example a female president would universally be called by the historically masculine form πρόεδρος, but with a feminine article (i.e. πρόεδρος can now be either a masculine or feminine noun, depending on context, even though it's morphologically irregular as a feminine noun). There is in Byzantine Greek a feminine analog, προέδρισσα (referring to a different position), but it isn't used today outside humorous contexts (roughly where you might use "Presidentess" in English). The same applies for a number of other more common professions, but for some it's more disputed which form should be used (for President there isn't any usage variance).

In short it's complex, so I hope any data set is careful about what it's counting as data, and why. :)

-Mark

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