Przykuta, 10/10/2010 19:17:
Old talk pages with solved problems are deleted.
This is extremely strange. Talk pages are part of the article history. Ortega's thesis should be updated, perhaps. «The combination of a very active cohort of bots, together with the very low ratio of talk pages, indicates that the Polish language version is not following the same organizational pattern found in other language editions. Such a low ratio of talk pages points out the little effort undertaken on coordination actions and discussion about article contents in the Polish version.» (http://libresoft.es/Members/jfelipe/phd-thesis , p. 91)
Talk pages of dynamic IP are deleted too (we wait ~6 months and delete them by bot). I don't know - is it standard behavior in other Wikiepdias or specific for pl.
This isn't very relevant. On it.wiki they used to be deleted by (unapproved) bots (run under sysop accounts); since some years they're just replaced with a "welcome IP" template every month if they're more than a month old.
- Finally, Polish Wikipedia has fewer active users than any of the
next three "smaller" Wikipedias - Italian, Japanese and Spanish - which might be significant here. Fewer users talk less, so there's fewer "natural" discussion pages.
True - we have only ~300 very active users. We rather use main. One of the most often used slogan is "we work here, not talk". Many times we spend in "flagged revisions" - so, we are sure, that 90% are free of vandalism.
This is very important. The real question is: how can pl.wiki be so big (and useful, looking at pageviews) with such a little editor base? Seems a good result.
Nemo
Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
Przykuta, 10/10/2010 19:17:
Old talk pages with solved problems are deleted.
This is extremely strange. Talk pages are part of the article history. Ortega's thesis should be updated, perhaps. «The combination of a very active cohort of bots, together with the very low ratio of talk pages, indicates that the Polish language version is not following the same organizational pattern found in other language editions. Such a low ratio of talk pages points out the little effort undertaken on coordination actions and discussion about article contents in the Polish version.» (http://libresoft.es/Members/jfelipe/phd-thesis , p. 91)
Indeed. I've always opposed deleting of any talk pages, but the rules are not build to facilitate research :(
Mind you, on en wiki some very interesting deletions were lost when their accompanying articles (or in some cases, policy pages and such) were deleted... :(
--- El dom, 10/10/10, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com escribió:
De: Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com Asunto: Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Foundation-l] How to improve quality of Wikipedia? Para: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org CC: "Research into Wikimedia content and communities" wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: domingo, 10 de octubre, 2010 19:45 Przykuta, 10/10/2010 19:17:
Old talk pages with solved problems are deleted.
This is extremely strange. Talk pages are part of the article history. Ortega's thesis should be updated, perhaps. «The combination of a very active cohort of bots, together with the very low ratio of talk pages, indicates that the Polish language version is not following the same organizational pattern found in other language editions. Such a low ratio of talk pages points out the little effort undertaken on coordination actions and discussion about article contents in the Polish version.» (http://libresoft.es/Members/jfelipe/phd-thesis , p. 91)
Thanks for pointing out this, Nemo. I might have missed the thread in Foundation-l otherwise :).
Well, at least this gives a partial explanation for the very low ratio of available talk pages, though I personally think it is not enough to explain such a really really low figure.
In fact, I concur that this is very strange. As far as I have understood up to now, talk pages also serve as a backup log of past discussions for new users approaching an article for the first time. If this is true, then in PL some new editor of an article might run the risk of raising again a issue or a contribution that was already discussed a year ago by editors working on that article.
Best, Felipe.
Talk pages of dynamic IP are deleted too (we wait ~6
months and delete them by bot). I don't know - is it standard behavior in other Wikiepdias or specific for pl.
This isn't very relevant. On it.wiki they used to be deleted by (unapproved) bots (run under sysop accounts); since some years they're just replaced with a "welcome IP" template every month if they're more than a month old.
- Finally, Polish Wikipedia has fewer active users
than any of the
next three "smaller" Wikipedias - Italian,
Japanese and Spanish -
which might be significant here. Fewer users talk
less, so there's
fewer "natural" discussion pages.
True - we have only ~300 very active users. We rather
use main. One of the most often used slogan is "we work here, not talk". Many times we spend in "flagged revisions"
- so, we are sure, that 90% are free of vandalism.
This is very important. The real question is: how can pl.wiki be so big (and useful, looking at pageviews) with such a little editor base? Seems a good result.
Nemo
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