Hello.
We would like to announce the release of WikiScience, an initiative to create a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research among wiki researchers around the world.
So far, we have only one tool online (a wiki to collect contributions, and organize ideas to further develop this initiative). In the following weeks we want to develop additional services to finally create a demo site with some useful functionalities to pursue our gobal objectives (annotated bibliography support, network of researchers, list of research tools and documentation, etc.).
You can access the wiki at http://wikiscience.libresoft.es/wiki, and help us with your ideas and contributions. If you also want to collaborate in developing services for the new demo, please let us know too.
Best regards,
F.
a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research among wiki researchers around the world
so what?
Yours Michael from Germany
2008/10/1 Felipe Ortega glimmer_phoenix@yahoo.es
Hello.
We would like to announce the release of WikiScience, an initiative to create a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research among wiki researchers around the world.
So far, we have only one tool online (a wiki to collect contributions, and organize ideas to further develop this initiative). In the following weeks we want to develop additional services to finally create a demo site with some useful functionalities to pursue our gobal objectives (annotated bibliography support, network of researchers, list of research tools and documentation, etc.).
You can access the wiki at http://wikiscience.libresoft.es/wiki, and help us with your ideas and contributions. If you also want to collaborate in developing services for the new demo, please let us know too.
Best regards,
F.
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Michael Reschke schrieb:
a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research among wiki researchers around the world
so what?
Uh... from the front page: "Wikiversity is a Wikimedia Foundation project devoted to learning resources and learning projects for all levels, types, and styles of education from pre-school to university, including professional training and informal learning."
That is something complety different. The focus is on learning/teaching, not on research. And it's for learning about anything, not focused on researching wikis. Cooperation with Wikiversity is of course a good idea, but it's be no means redundant.
-- daniel
I don't believe Wikiversity was ever intended to be "only teaching" but about learning more generally - and that includes research. I would like to see what it is that Wikiscience offers that is substantively different (technically or practically) from the already established wikiversity. Perhaps these "other functionalities" in the future will indeed do that, I don't know.
But, generally speaking, I would have thought it was preferred to have less projects with wider scope rather than a multitude of projects with very narrow scope.
-Liam Wyatt
wikipediaweekly.org Skype - Wittylama Wikipedia - [[User:Witty lama]]
On 01/10/2008, at 9:05 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote:
Michael Reschke schrieb:
a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research among wiki researchers around the world
so what?
Uh... from the front page: "Wikiversity is a Wikimedia Foundation project devoted to learning resources and learning projects for all levels, types, and styles of education from pre-school to university, including professional training and informal learning."
That is something complety different. The focus is on learning/ teaching, not on research. And it's for learning about anything, not focused on researching wikis. Cooperation with Wikiversity is of course a good idea, but it's be no means redundant.
-- daniel
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On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel@brightbyte.dewrote:
Michael Reschke schrieb:
a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research among wiki researchers around the world
so what?
Uh... from the front page: "Wikiversity is a Wikimedia Foundation project devoted to learning resources and learning projects for all levels, types, and styles of education from pre-school to university, including professional training and informal learning."
That is something complety different. The focus is on learning/teaching, not on research. And it's for learning about anything, not focused on researching wikis. Cooperation with Wikiversity is of course a good idea, but it's be no means redundant.
To clarify: it's incorrect that Wikiversity is not focused on research; research is one of the core focuses of Wikiversity, complementing learning resources and learning activities. Just like other learning 'institutions', research is seen as an educational activity, and as a driver of further knowledge and resources. It's always been a core focus to get researchers (including, but not limited to, on wikis) together on Wikiversity - to share and discuss each other's work, and to collaborate on further work. However, I admit this isn't so clear from the main page, so I'll edit that now. :-)
Conversely, I'd also like a bit more clarity on what WikiScience aims to do, and how it aims to do it. For example, it seems that there is an explicit aim to integrate other tools alongside a wiki in this work - is that right? It would be good, in general, to expand on its scope and vision - as well as an indication of the activity/people/organisation behind it so far. That might help set a foundation for further development and collaboration. ;-)
Cheers, Cormac
On 01/10/2008, at 22:11, "Cormac Lawler" cormaggio@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel@brightbyte.de wrote: Michael Reschke schrieb:
a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research among wiki researchers around the world
so what?
Uh... from the front page: "Wikiversity is a Wikimedia Foundation project devoted to learning resources and learning projects for all levels, types, and styles of education from pre-school to university, including professional training and informal learning."
That is something complety different. The focus is on learning/ teaching, not on research. And it's for learning about anything, not focused on researching wikis. Cooperation with Wikiversity is of course a good idea, but it's be no means redundant.
To clarify: it's incorrect that Wikiversity is not focused on research; research is one of the core focuses of Wikiversity, complementing learning resources and learning activities. Just like other learning 'institutions', research is seen as an educational activity, and as a driver of further knowledge and resources. It's always been a core focus to get researchers (including, but not limited to, on wikis) together on Wikiversity - to share and discuss each other's work, and to collaborate on further work. However, I admit this isn't so clear from the main page, so I'll edit that now. :-)
Conversely, I'd also like a bit more clarity on what WikiScience aims to do, and how it aims to do it. For example, it seems that there is an explicit aim to integrate other tools alongside a wiki in this work - is that right? It would be good, in general, to expand on its scope and vision - as well as an indication of the activity/people/organisation behind it so far. That might help set a foundation for further development and collaboration. ;-)
Cheers, Cormac
Precisely Cormac, precisely. -Liam wyatt
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To clarify: it's incorrect that Wikiversity is not focused on research; research is one of the core focuses of Wikiversity, complementing learning resources and learning activities. Just like other learning 'institutions', research is seen as an educational activity, and as a driver of further knowledge and resources. It's always been a core focus to get researchers (including, but not limited to, on wikis) together on Wikiversity - to share and discuss each other's work, and to collaborate on further work. However, I admit this isn't so clear from the main page, so I'll edit that now. :-)
Conversely, I'd also like a bit more clarity on what WikiScience aims to do, and how it aims to do it. For example, it seems that there is an explicit aim to integrate other tools alongside a wiki in this work
- is that right? It would be good, in general, to expand on its scope
and vision - as well as an indication of the activity/people/organisation behind it so far. That might help set a foundation for further development and collaboration. ;-)
Cheers, Cormac
Ok now... I didn't mean to say that research how no place at Wikiversity - I was just under the impression that it's not the main focus. But I may be wrong there.
In my mind, comparing the proposed research wiki to Wikiversity is odd, because Wikiversity is so much broader in scope. Comparing it to Wikiversitie's "Wikimedia Studies" portal http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Wikimedia_Studies makes more sense to me. And there is indeed some overlap.
Now, I don't know exactly what Filipe has in mind, but from what I understand of Wikiversity, and what I would like WikiScience to be, here are the main points I see for WikiScience:
* It would be a place to write abut individual projects, wiki engines, frameworks, etc. * WikiScience would be a place to collect, share and document individual tools and libraries. * WikiScience would offer additional services, such as a dedicated news feed or a mailing list (though perhaps Wiki-research-l is sufficient, if we replace "Wikimedia" in the title by "Wiki"). Maye there could even be a repository for code and data. * Bibliographies would of course also be important -- though I also see that for Wikiversity. Maybe they could be federated somehow? (btw, cooperation with the openlibrary is currently pondered)
In short, I imagine WikiScience would be the place for me to go when I want to find a tool for a specific task, or discuss experiences with specific problems with fellow researchers. While Wikiversity is where I would go when I want to get an overview of the results of research done on wikis, to "learn about wikis". Also, by nature, Wikiversity focuses on wikimedia, while WikiScience would not automatically -- though of course Wikipedia is the most common research subject.
Anyway... I don't think the effort is redundant, just like Wookipedia is not redundant to Portal:Star_Wars. But we should of course be careful not to fragment community and content. So, let's cooperate and work on making these things *complementary*.
-- daniel
--- El mié, 1/10/08, Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com escribió:
De: Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com Asunto: Re: [Wiki-research-l] WikiScience announce Para: "Research into Wikimedia content and communities" wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: miércoles, 1 octubre, 2008 2:11 On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel@brightbyte.dewrote:
Michael Reschke schrieb:
a virtual space promoting interaction and
interdisciplinary research
among wiki researchers around the world
so what?
Uh... from the front page: "Wikiversity is a
Wikimedia Foundation project
devoted to learning resources and learning projects
for all levels, types,
and styles of education from pre-school to university,
including professional
training and informal learning."
That is something complety different. The focus is on
learning/teaching,
not on research. And it's for learning about anything,
not focused on researching
wikis. Cooperation with Wikiversity is of course a
good idea, but it's be
no means redundant.
To clarify: it's incorrect that Wikiversity is not focused on research; research is one of the core focuses of Wikiversity, complementing learning resources and learning activities. Just like other learning 'institutions', research is seen as an educational activity, and as a driver of further knowledge and resources. It's always been a core focus to get researchers (including, but not limited to, on wikis) together on Wikiversity - to share and discuss each other's work, and to collaborate on further work. However, I admit this isn't so clear from the main page, so I'll edit that now. :-)
Conversely, I'd also like a bit more clarity on what WikiScience aims to do, and how it aims to do it. For example, it seems that there is an explicit aim to integrate other tools alongside a wiki in this work
- is that right?
Yes, the objective is to have an initial demo for December (hopefully, if travels and other work stuff let me dedicate enough time). The demo will include a CMS, integrating the wiki, as well as other tools for annotated Bibliography, a descriptive repository with information about wiki research tools (links, descriptions, manuals, examples, screenshots, etc), a directory of researchers (initially simple, but it will potentially evolve to a "mini-facebook" of researchers in due course), as well as research news, and sindication of blogs and external resources.
It would be good, in general, to expand on its scope and vision - as well as an indication of the activity/people/organisation behind it so far. That might help set a foundation for further development and collaboration. ;-)
I'm right now in Germany, with not very good connectivity, so I'll try to expand the main page and sections to provide more information.
The initiative was launched at the first WIRW, co-located with the last WikiSym 08 at Porto, last September (I think I linked the description on the WikiScience front page). Currently, we at GSyC/Libresoft (http://libresoft.es) are leading the technical development, and we set up a virtual machine for the demo, and this wiki.
We are open to collaborate with any other interested research group/organization/foundation. The aim will be, after having a working demo on December (as a "proof of concept" of the usability and feasibility of our idea) to search interested organization/research programs to get fundings for a more formal initiative.
As Daniel said, I would really like to promote cooperation with other initiatives like Wikiversity. Our goal is not at all to *substitute* any other web place, but to *help* to index and find a lot of useful information about wiki tools, wiki researchers and wiki research working lines and methodologies, publications, etc. which is currently dispersed throughout a broader set of pages/sites.
Bests,
Felipe.
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On 10/2/08, Felipe Ortega glimmer_phoenix@yahoo.es wrote:
Yes, the objective is to have an initial demo for December (hopefully, if travels and other work stuff let me dedicate enough time). The demo will include a CMS, integrating the wiki, as well as other tools for annotated Bibliography, a descriptive repository with information about wiki research tools (links, descriptions, manuals, examples, screenshots, etc), a directory of researchers (initially simple, but it will potentially evolve to a "mini-facebook" of researchers in due course), as well as research news, and sindication of blogs and external resources.
Thanks for clarifying, Felipe - sounds good. :-)
We are open to collaborate with any other interested research group/organization/foundation. The aim will be, after having a working demo on December (as a "proof of concept" of the usability and feasibility of our idea) to search interested organization/research programs to get fundings for a more formal initiative.
As Daniel said, I would really like to promote cooperation with other initiatives like Wikiversity. Our goal is not at all to *substitute* any other web place, but to *help* to index and find a lot of useful information about wiki tools, wiki researchers and wiki research working lines and methodologies, publications, etc. which is currently dispersed throughout a broader set of pages/sites.
That's great - I've signed up now, and posted an announcement to the English Wikiversity's Colloquium ('Village Pump' equivalent).
Cormac
Felipe Ortega schrieb:
Hello.
We would like to announce the release of WikiScience, an initiative to create a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research among wiki researchers around the world.
Great, I hope it takes off! Maybe it would hep to say what should go on the wiki. Is it a place to write about your research project, or any research project people know? About tools? Papers? People? Wiki engines? Defining the scope is really important - and inviting people to add this stuff. now :)
You can access the wiki at http://wikiscience.libresoft.es/wiki, and help us with your ideas and contributions. If you also want to collaborate in developing services for the new demo, please let us know too.
One thing I would suggest is a "WikiResearchPlanet" aggregated RSS feed. It could be based on a wiki page where people can add (and remove) feeds to aggregate.
-- daniel
A technical issue:
I created an account, but i'm unable to confirm my email address. I'm not getting any mail.
Now, I know that my hoster is VERY strict about the mail protocol, and rejects anything that is even slightly divergent from the spec. Can you please check your log if a mail to brightbyte.de got bounced?
-- daniel
PS: doing this via the list because others may have similar problems
OK, I'll do it ASAP, we installed a very simple email server, but we tested it and everything was OK.
I'll let you know as soon as I discover the problem.
Thanks.
F.
--- El mié, 1/10/08, Daniel Kinzler daniel@brightbyte.de escribió:
De: Daniel Kinzler daniel@brightbyte.de Asunto: Re: [Wiki-research-l] WikiScience announce Para: "Research into Wikimedia content and communities" wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: miércoles, 1 octubre, 2008 1:09 A technical issue:
I created an account, but i'm unable to confirm my email address. I'm not getting any mail.
Now, I know that my hoster is VERY strict about the mail protocol, and rejects anything that is even slightly divergent from the spec. Can you please check your log if a mail to brightbyte.de got bounced?
-- daniel
PS: doing this via the list because others may have similar problems
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I've just created a dummy user and confirmed it (Yahoo! account) without problems ¿???
Maybe your provider is somehow greylisting mails from our domain?
We're checking exim4 config to see if there is a bug or not. All the same, MySQL says you're the only one user without confirmed e-mail, so I lean to think it's not a problem on our side :).
Bests,
F.
--- El mié, 1/10/08, Daniel Kinzler daniel@brightbyte.de escribió:
De: Daniel Kinzler daniel@brightbyte.de Asunto: Re: [Wiki-research-l] WikiScience announce Para: "Research into Wikimedia content and communities" wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: miércoles, 1 octubre, 2008 1:09 A technical issue:
I created an account, but i'm unable to confirm my email address. I'm not getting any mail.
Now, I know that my hoster is VERY strict about the mail protocol, and rejects anything that is even slightly divergent from the spec. Can you please check your log if a mail to brightbyte.de got bounced?
-- daniel
PS: doing this via the list because others may have similar problems
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Great, Felipe!
It's always good to see new initiatives and I hope that it is a success for you and everyone involved. This list is a great place to find support for such ventures, and I hope to see more new research collaborations and resource sharing efforts succeed.
Andrea
PS. It was good to see you last month and thanks for your help with the grant proposal efforts, btw! Fingers crossed. :)
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Felipe Ortega glimmer_phoenix@yahoo.es wrote:
Hello.
We would like to announce the release of WikiScience, an initiative to create a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research among wiki researchers around the world.
So far, we have only one tool online (a wiki to collect contributions, and organize ideas to further develop this initiative). In the following weeks we want to develop additional services to finally create a demo site with some useful functionalities to pursue our gobal objectives (annotated bibliography support, network of researchers, list of research tools and documentation, etc.).
You can access the wiki at http://wikiscience.libresoft.es/wiki, and help us with your ideas and contributions. If you also want to collaborate in developing services for the new demo, please let us know too.
Best regards,
F.
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Hello Phillip,
Thanks for your initiative. I would appreciate an active wiki-research- community.
And I agree with Michael. I think active research-communities would strengthen the wikiversity project. As far as I see the border between learning and research is not that hard in wikiversity. But maybe it is more reasonable to talk about migrating the project, when it is active.
So I will give it a try. Happy birthday and good luck to wikiscience!
Best regards
EUR
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