My post was sharded to just the wikidata list, copying the others :)
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 12:59 PM Patricio Lorente < patricio.lorente@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you, SJ. I fully agree with your recommendations.
El jue, 13 ene 2022 a las 14:55, Samuel Klein (meta.sj@gmail.com) escribió:
Kay, bless your heart. Galder, Gereon, Xavi: I would be *particularly* interested in research in other languages, since it's harder for me to run across that in my regular feeds. (that may also be true for some of the reviewers :) but they're also lang and time limited)
Recommendation that might conceivably be implemented for this cycle: -- Update "can submit" to "encouraged to submit" in any languages -- If in a language other than {core langs} <-- which may be only English this year, ask submitters to recommend a reviewer who can share a review of the work in English -- To Andy's point, confirm the license of the research is one that is open (so that it can be independently translated) -- Have a two stage award: the first stage, based on a quick review for significance and interest, identifies finalists which are, if not already in one of the {core langs}, translated into one of them. (at least in abstract + summary; we facilitate this translation by supporting / sponsoring community translation; it's a universal benefit for researchers around the world) -- Second stage is as currently imagined: review of finalist papers in {core langs}.
<3. SJ
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:27 PM KAY WOODING via Wikidata < wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
I SPEAK ENGLISH THABKS I APPRECIATE IT JESUS LOVES YIU I LOVE YOU GOD BLESS YOU HAVE A BLESSED DAY
On Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 09:55:21 PM EST, Leila Zia < lzia@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi all,
We gave the option of accepting nominations in more languages some more thought. I want to be very honest: I don't have a good solution to accommodate more languages in this cycle. We considered the option of allowing/encouraging nominations in other languages, and not doing the broader search we do in English in those languages. However, even this option is not really guaranteed to work because we consider "scholarly publications" which can be papers of a few pages or books that can be hundreds of pages. We cannot guarantee that we can translate the scholarly publication (independent of its length) in-time for the review.
Given the above, my suggestion to you is that if you know of a scholarly publication that is in another language than English and you think we should consider it, still nominate it. We will consider it, even if I can't guarantee that we review it.
I'm sorry that I am not able to offer a better solution for this cycle. We will continue thinking about this point for the future cycles.
Best, Leila
On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 12:46 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga galder158@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Leila, I have read it, that's why I'm confused. ________________________________ From: Leila Zia lzia@wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 9:40 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org <
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wiki-research-l] Re: The Wikimedia
Foundation Research Award of the Year - Call for Nominations
Hi Galder,
Please see below.
On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 12:26 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga galder158@hotmail.com wrote:
Thanks, Leila, for answering the question raised.
Anytime.
I'm a bit confused with this, I supposed that the Wikimedia
Foundation Research Award was an initiative from the Research team of the WMF (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research), but I read in your answer that "WikiResearch is primarily in English and about research published in English". I understand that the main working language of the WMF is English, as this mailing list is, but I would assume that an Award promoted by the WMF should be multilingual.
Sorry. Let me clarify. What I was referring to when I used WikiResearch in my email was the WikiResearch twitter account: https://twitter.com/WikiResearch . I did not intend to refer to the WMF Research team or Wikimedia Research community. And to repeat: this is one source we use to find research done on the Wikimedia projects. There are other sources as I mentioned in my response.
Me, as a Basque Wikimedians User Group member, I promote Wikimedia
activities in Basque language, because that is our goal. But the WMF is not the English Wikimedians User Group, as far as I understand. Our designated lingua franca may be English, but the WMF can't exclude research that is not made in this language from an Award. I would understand if the (non-existing) English Wikimedians User Group created the "EWUG Research in English Award of the Year", but is not the case.
I understand and acknowledge your point about inclusion. I hope some of the points I shared about our existing process in my other email can help you find possible solutions we can consider doing. :) On my end: I have a todo to come back to you all.
Best, Leila
Cheers,
Galder
From: Leila Zia lzia@wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 8:04 PM To: wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org <
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wiki-research-l] Re: The Wikimedia
Foundation Research Award of the Year - Call for Nominations
Hi all, Thank you for your feedback. I take your comments as a sign
of
genuine care and I'm happy to engage and learn with you how we can do better. (Note: I'm responding to all lists, though some of the feedback has been sent only to wikimedia-l.)
- Galder, Gereon, Xavier, Gnangarra, and Andy: thank you for your
feedback.
- Andy, I'll respond to your comment first. We do not require the
work
to be published under a free license for us to consider it for the award. However, if the work is shortlisted, we reach out to the authors, tell them that it's shortlisted, and it can be considered
for
the award if the work is at least made publicly available. At that point, we also encourage the authors to publish under a free license and share with them a few ways they may be able to (even if the work is published somewhere already with restrictions). The issue of licenses is on top of our mind and we actively look for ways to push for more Wikimedia research work to be published under free licenses.
- I am going to share with you some of my thoughts, and a possible
improvement we can make in the process.
** Let's try to keep things simple to be able to improve things together. This is not a case of "WMF did x". The idea of the award
was
created in the Research team, and both last year and this year, we've been grateful to have the support of researchers outside of WMF for it. (Aaron Shaw (Northwestern University), and Benjamin Mako Hill (U. of Washington)). I take full responsibility for the execution of the award and I can take your feedback and see where we can improve the process. :)
** In order to be able to improve the process, I should share more details about how we do the search for the publications first. We
have
multiple sources for searching for research published in a given
year:
- The nomination process we shared on this thread.
- Research publications shared in WikiResearch twitter account.
- External research search engines and repositories for different
fields: we use scholar.google.com, dblp.org and more.
To give you a sense of the distribution of scholarly publications we identified last year from each of the above sources: 11 nominations and 170+ research publications through the twitter account and external searches. The award chairs (2 people; this year it is going to be Mako and I) reviewed all identified publications. We discussed every publication at varying depth depending on the result of our initial reviews.
** Knowing the process, there are at least a few ways I think the process must be improved. I'm sure now that you see more you can critique even more. :) I proactively share with you some of them
here:
::* I need to have an easychair account to nominate. That can/must change (but to what? we want these nominations to be private, and we need a way to be able to process them efficiently because we're only
2
people. We are considering openreview.net for the future years
because
they're open source; but they still have other limitations. For this year, easychair it is.). ::* We need more people on the committee: both for workload sharing, and also including more perspectives. (This is /a lot/ to ask of researchers. I'm grateful that Mako and Aaron have supported us in
the
past.) ::* We need other non-English sources to source community research. (WikiResearch is primarily in English and about research published in English.) ::* The shared language of reviewers is assumed to be English. If we are going to at scale consider other languages, then we need a way that this group of people can converse on academic topics with one another without having to share a language.
** I also understand the reality of the resources available to me and our team. I understand the importance of working on multiple fronts with regards to the research community (Wikimedia Research Funds,
Wiki
Workshop, global research competitions, research showcases, monthly office hours, talks and presentations, formal collaborations, and more). I believe in the importance of motivation (and we have seen a very good momentum around the award idea from last year's run). We need to do many things, with very limited resources; Our values and ideals are important and we have to attempt to hold them all as we make decisions. In practice, sometimes we can't meet all the
ambitions
we have. We need to make trade-offs. What is important is to be
aware,
to listen, to try to improve, and to be honest.
I will leave you with the above and I commit to talk with Mako to consider ways to open up the process for more languages to be
included
(in 2021 or in 2022+; I can't promise changes for the 2021 process.). One of us will write back here with what we decide to do.
Thanks, Leila
On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 5:42 AM Andy Mabbett <
andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 19:48, Leila Zia lzia@wikimedia.org wrote:
> =Eligibility criteria=
> * The publication must be available in English.
I echo others' concerns about this.
I'm equally concerned that, while WMF regard being in English as essential for one of their awards, they do not regard the use of an open licence as a requirement.
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