Dear Ms., I thank you for your answer. As a Programme Committee member of WikiIndaba 2018 and as the author of WikiResearch in Africa: Situation and Challenges also presented in the Research Showcase of WikiIndaba 2018, I was honoured to receive your report. I really greet the efforts of Wikimedia Foundation to raise WikiResearch in Africa and would like to contribute in this context. We can discuss about that if you want to. Concerning the role of Wikimedia Foundation concerning and as I already said after your presentation, I think that the matter is the lack of connection between LangCom and African language regulatory institutions. Another matter can be the difficulty of reaching LangCom. In fact, messages from communities to LangCom mailing list take days to be processed by moderators and then published. There is also a problem of contacting LangCom using Phabricator and Meta. Absolutely, such matters should be fixed. Finally, just for information concerning Wikimania proposal about using Wikidata in Medicine, I should inform you that I am Csisc who posted it in Wikidata talk page of Wikimania 2018. Yours Sincerely, Houcemeddine Turki ________________________________ De : Wiki-research-l wiki-research-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org de la part de wiki-research-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org wiki-research-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org Envoyé : vendredi 23 mars 2018 13:00 À : wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org Objet : Wiki-research-l Digest, Vol 151, Issue 11
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:41:46 -0700 From: Leila Zia leila@wikimedia.org To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wiki-research-l] trip report: Wiki Indaba 2018 [partial] Message-ID: CAK0Oe2ufs6Q33Y6thyGua4P3r6MejnXzybrAoNXsimueW7oMyQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hi all,
Here is the report of the one session I attended in Wiki Indaba over the past weekend: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:LZia_(WMF)/Trip_reports#Wiki_Indaba_201...
Best, Leila
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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 08:13:31 +0100 From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] trip report: Wiki Indaba 2018 [partial] Message-ID: CAO53wxVaE3DPkbbQfeUo1XH1HJETzAzJrzXt=tn_SMTcvLj+SQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hoi, I have read your comments on the WIki Indaba. Sad to hear that you could not make it.
As a movement it is not our task to serve the "2000" languages that you mention. It is our task to serve the languages that we support in our existing Wikipedias. The difference is significant. When people aim to help themselves, their culture, their language by investing their efforts in a Wikipedia, we have a process that recognises this and that leads to the start of a Wikipedia. Thanks to the Incubator, translatewiki.net we provide a native interface in all our languages. There are strong arguments why we should invest more in other languages like the top 25 languages minus English and in the other languages. The easiest argument is that English is less than 50% of our traffic.
Where you talk about subjects that people are likely to read, there are many predictive models possible. The big issue in current approaches is that they start with what we know from projects particularly the English Wikipedia. The English Wikipedia is biased and consequently many subjects that may be of a higher relevance in other languages or cultures will not be suggested when English Wikipedia and its traffic is the yard stone to measure by. Often there is more and better information in other Wikipedias. Arguably thanks to Wikidata it becomes easier to find a more composite view of the subjects people may be interested in.
Anyway, thank you for reporting on your virtual presence; you made a difference in this way. Thanks, GerardM
On 23 March 2018 at 00:41, Leila Zia leila@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
Here is the report of the one session I attended in Wiki Indaba over the past weekend: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:LZia_(WMF)/Trip_ reports#Wiki_Indaba_2018
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Hi Houcemeddine,
On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:50 AM, abdelwaheb turki turkiabdelwaheb@hotmail.fr wrote:
Dear Ms., I thank you for your answer. As a Programme Committee member of WikiIndaba 2018 and as the author of WikiResearch in Africa: Situation and Challenges also presented in the Research Showcase of WikiIndaba 2018, I was honoured to receive your report.
Thanks for your presentation and following up.
I really greet the efforts of Wikimedia Foundation to raise WikiResearch in Africa and would like to contribute in this context. We can discuss about that if you want to. Concerning the role of Wikimedia Foundation concerning and as I already said after your presentation, I think that the matter is the lack of connection between LangCom and African language regulatory institutions. Another matter can be the difficulty of reaching LangCom. In fact, messages from communities to LangCom mailing list take days to be processed by moderators and then published. There is also a problem of contacting LangCom using Phabricator and Meta. Absolutely, such matters should be fixed.
[LangCom refers to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee, for those who like me had to pause a bit and think what it is. :)]
I don't have much more to add at the moment on this front. One thing on my todo list is to educate myself more about this space and work within our team in the coming year(s) to see where we can make a difference.
Best, Leila
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Hi all,
Here is the report of the one session I attended in Wiki Indaba over the past weekend: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:LZia_(WMF)/Trip_reports#Wiki_Indaba_201...
Best, Leila
Message: 2 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 08:13:31 +0100 From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] trip report: Wiki Indaba 2018 [partial] Message-ID: CAO53wxVaE3DPkbbQfeUo1XH1HJETzAzJrzXt=tn_SMTcvLj+SQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hoi, I have read your comments on the WIki Indaba. Sad to hear that you could not make it.
As a movement it is not our task to serve the "2000" languages that you mention. It is our task to serve the languages that we support in our existing Wikipedias. The difference is significant. When people aim to help themselves, their culture, their language by investing their efforts in a Wikipedia, we have a process that recognises this and that leads to the start of a Wikipedia. Thanks to the Incubator, translatewiki.net we provide a native interface in all our languages. There are strong arguments why we should invest more in other languages like the top 25 languages minus English and in the other languages. The easiest argument is that English is less than 50% of our traffic.
Where you talk about subjects that people are likely to read, there are many predictive models possible. The big issue in current approaches is that they start with what we know from projects particularly the English Wikipedia. The English Wikipedia is biased and consequently many subjects that may be of a higher relevance in other languages or cultures will not be suggested when English Wikipedia and its traffic is the yard stone to measure by. Often there is more and better information in other Wikipedias. Arguably thanks to Wikidata it becomes easier to find a more composite view of the subjects people may be interested in.
Anyway, thank you for reporting on your virtual presence; you made a difference in this way. Thanks, GerardM
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Hi all,
Here is the report of the one session I attended in Wiki Indaba over the past weekend: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:LZia_(WMF)/Trip_ reports#Wiki_Indaba_2018
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I'm glad that language support was flagged.
Leila Zia, 26/03/2018 21:37:
I don't have much more to add at the moment on this front. One thing on my todo list is to educate myself more about this space and work within our team in the coming year(s) to see where we can make a difference.
There are some ideas at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Language_goals_and_wishlist.
Federico
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