Pine - a great question. There's definitely something to the idea of viewing vandal- and spam-fighting as a game with talented, evolving NPCs who learn to counter your tactics; and automation that helps you script and speed up your own work. No work needed to fake that feedback loop or difficulty curve.
Steven: the Getting Started workflow is a perfect example; it's a wonderful and elegant demonstration of guided tours. I wonder if we can we make it easier for community groups to develop their own 2-step "get involved" modules, each taking editors to a random article from some subset, with a few helpful overlays? Each major backlog has a group that cares about it that could help come up with a module for it; similarly the group that discusses Main Page redesigns have had some related discussions about how to showcase the breadth of the project. Where should people leave feedback for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GettingStarted ?
Ocaasi (and Lane): the WP Adventure is coming along nicely; best of luck with that. I hope you're able to coordinate your work with the Guided Tours development, so there is a shared roadmap for building a library of tour-templates and styles.
SJ
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 1:32 AM, ENWP Pine deyntestiss@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Quim and Sarah,
I should have worded my question more precisely. I'm asking what Wikimedia could do to recruit people who play video games on various platforms and in various types of games (casual, FPS, MMPORG, and so on) so that they convert the time they currently use for gaming into time spent contributing to Wikimedia projects of any kind or subject rather than on the important but narrower subject of video games. For example, what would it take to convert people who currently play crossword puzzles or Scrabble on their smartphones into editors of Wiktionary? What would it take to convert people who play geocaching into photo contributors to Commons? What would it take to convert FPS gamers into NPP or anti-vandalism editors?
The people on the Research list are generating a lot of good discussion about gamification within Wikimedia to encourage more and higher quality participation, and we're also discussing how to recruit gamers to become new Wikimedia contributors. Please come over to the thread on Research-l and let's continue talking there. (:
Pine
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 07:31:17 -0700 From: Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org To: ee@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [EE] Recruiting gamers to edit Wikimedia Message-ID: 51D6D8B5.4040904@wikimedia.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
On 07/04/2013 12:46 PM, ENWP Pine wrote:
I've asked these questions in other ways and places and I'd like to hear what other people on the Research and EE lists think.
There are many video game players of diverse ages, genders, languages, and locations. How could Wikimedia editing be made into an appealing activity for people who are currently video gamers? How could Wikimedia market itself to gamers, including console, LAN, FPS, MMORPG, and mobile gamers?
Have you asked at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games ?
(as an outsider) I would say that gaming in general is pretty well covered, at least in comparison with other areas of knowledge. Or what would be the reason to target gamers?
Editing per se is not the problem. There is no lack of gamers using wikis (and MediaWiki!) e.g. http://www.wikia.com/ or http://www.minecraftwiki.net/ . The average gamer probably gets the idea of crowdsourcing knowledge pretty well. Those wikis are community wikis though, as an editor you won't need to deal (much) with relevance, references, POV, essay, etc. I don't know what are the conditions to upload copyrighted content but probably these wikis are more permissive than Wikimedia's.
Well, I guess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Move_to_gaming_wiki exists for a reason. Maybe if we would send gamers (also) to http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Subject:Games we could keep a bit more talent around...
-- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 08:26:14 -0700 From: Sarah Stierch sstierch@wikimedia.org To: WMF Editor Engagement Team ee@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [EE] Recruiting gamers to edit Wikimedia Message-ID: CAFk0ehVOcyV-N5KMchop-C0r7wY649adXMDHg5U+CVbjGhaVPw@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi,
And yes, if you're interested in engaging (or re engaging) with people already in the community or who don't edit as frequently perhaps, you can contact people who have userboxes on English Wikipedia saying they are into video games:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Userboxes/Games/Video_games
I do this for women's history projects and programs. I either use EdwardsBot and spam them with a template inviting them to something or whatever, or invite them individually (more time consuming of course).
Sarah
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 07/04/2013 12:46 PM, ENWP Pine wrote:
I've asked these questions in other ways and places and I'd like to hear what other people on the Research and EE lists think.
There are many video game players of diverse ages, genders, languages, and locations. How could Wikimedia editing be made into an appealing activity for people who are currently video gamers? How could Wikimedia market itself to gamers, including console, LAN, FPS, MMORPG, and mobile gamers?
Have you asked at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_**gameshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games?
(as an outsider) I would say that gaming in general is pretty well covered, at least in comparison with other areas of knowledge. Or what would be the reason to target gamers?
Editing per se is not the problem. There is no lack of gamers using wikis (and MediaWiki!) e.g. http://www.wikia.com/ or http://www.minecraftwiki.net/ . The average gamer probably gets the idea of crowdsourcing knowledge pretty well. Those wikis are community wikis though, as an editor you won't need to deal (much) with relevance, references, POV, essay, etc. I don't know what are the conditions to upload copyrighted content but probably these wikis are more permissive than Wikimedia's.
Well, I guess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Template:Move_to_gaming_wikihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Move_to_gaming_wikiexists for a reason. Maybe if we would send gamers (also) to
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/**Subject:Gameshttp://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Subject:Gameswe could keep a bit more talent around...
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