What is the metaphysical appeal of defining intelligence as the "distribution of data within a database"?
Mind Wiki is a Grand Unified Boot Loader? What is a DELICIOUS?
What does saying that Wikipedia is conscious tell us about consciousness? (nothing) We have a wikibook on consciousness studies: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Consciousness_studies See also the papers in this cognitive science course: http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~mozer/courses/3702/http://www.cs.colorado.edu/%7Emozer/courses/3702/
To define learning as "a group of people editing pages over time" would be disingenuous, because really it is just a group of people editing pages over time. How does the interaction of those editors secrete consciousness? If you can answer this question, then Mind Wiki is the least of your successes...
/Alterego
On 9/12/05, Brett Robertson mindrec@comcast.net wrote:
Hi. I'm a new list member (please be kind).
The following has been added to the
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research#Mind_Wiki:__An_AI_Design_Experiment page of metawiki. At this point, I'm interested in ALL comments on the project both positive and negative, first impressions, opinions as to how appropriate it is for this list, and personal observations regarding this list ... how helpful it might be and whether projects like mine might be helped by participation on this list (and maybe to what degree, how much help, how proficient list members might be, what kinds of help they might offer, etc).
Well as you can see. This is a new project. I don't know what to expect on this list. Really, any kind of response will be appreciated!
My website: http://www.mindrec.net
Project description below: ... Mind Wiki: An AI Design Experiment
Proposed by 68.54.221.95 http://68.54.221.95 (Mindrec). Intelligence is defined as the distribution of data within a database. Wiki is cited as a case in point intelligence. Very fringe theories which show how knowledge is imparted metaphysically. Mind Wiki is shown to be a GRUB and to exclaim DELICIOUS.
If we define intelligence as the distribution of data within a database: And if WIKI is a database: Then, the simplest WIKI would be a prototypical intelligence. Cunningham defines WIKI as "the simplest database which could possibly work". This suggests it is a case in point intelligence.
This makes Ward Cunningham (the inventor of the wiki) the inventor of the first AI. Wikipedia is such an intelligence: But this bespeaks of the dangers of "intelligence" per se ... it isn't necessarily *lucid*. Just because a group of people get together and raise "consciousness" doesn't mean that truth can be discerned (by preponderance). And I haven't gone into consciousness: Blog is a consciousness. And especially blogdex: Which does some math on blogs and reports on the top posts (what's on the world's "mind"). So: Wikipedia is an intelligence, and may be conscious, but isn't always lucid (I suppose to the degree that its writers have a conscience, it is an artificially conscious intelligence). All of this to set up the idea of "lucidity" as that which now defines a machine's "humanity" (after intelligence and consciousness have been addressed).
I've used the word "lucid". And lucidity applies ... after intelligence and consciousness have been addressed (as I've said). But the jump from intelligent to lucid (with regard to wikipedia, as an example) fails to explain what consciousness has to do with coming up with the correct answers (though this is also addressed a bit later on - such that its writers have a conscience, they might discern what is "right" ... both in a moralistic sense and also in the sense of arriving at correct answers). Which is to say, applying an intelligent design conscientiously might lead a wikipedia to be *right* by preponderance, as I've suggested (whereby mentioning lucidity at this point begins to make sense). This is not to say that it *makes sense* to be intelligent and conscientious and still lack lucidity ... as a matter of choice, for example / or in seeming violation of what it means to be intelligent in the first place (to the contrary). So I might have said that wikipedia isn't necessarily intelligent (even though an intelligence). Or I might have said that being intelligent doesn't necessarily mean conscientiousness will prevail (in the case that her writers don't have a conscience, for example). But I've said that both of these are "necessarily" so (if an entity is intelligent, then it is conscientious). And so there's (still) the matter of lucidity (and awareness, and agency): The mention of lucidity (regarding wikipedia) early on in this comment foreshadows the explanation of what it means to be lucid ... which is then expressed "in the negative" (whereby lucidity is not that which overcomes the intelligent design of its database but is that which overcomes the necessity that humans have a conscience).
(from Mind Wiki: An AI Design Experiment)
Intelligence is only a beginning step. Consciousness has been demonstrated in connected Blog (Mind Wiki is a wiki / blog / CMS with areas for scientific journals, articles, diagrams, and related files). The research proves the theory legitimate. The Mind Wiki stands as a working example. And two prototypes have been developed which move modern computing into the age of crystal 3d processes and bioluminescent computing.
The site is set up as a center of research and development. Everyone is encouraged to visit and comment. Those interested in promoting this research through accepted academic channels or (especially) who feel they have the technical expertise to begin developing the intelligence model, the crystal computer, or the photoelectric computer are invited to help (all three show potential for becoming living entities).
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--Mindrec 01:25, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
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